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Anti-Semitism casts long shadows over Jewish festival of lights

Rabbi Jeffrey Myers leads a gathering in Hanukkah songs after lighting a menorah outside the Tree of Life synagogue on the first night of Hanukkah, Dec. 2, 2018, in the Squirrel Hill neighborhood of Pittsburgh. A gunman shot and killed 11 people while they worshipped on Oct. 27, 2018, at the temple. (AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)

(RNS) — Hanukkah is meant to mark the victory of the Jewish people over religious oppression.

But in the days and weeks leading up to Hanukkah, which began Sunday (Dec. 2), many Jews have felt defeated as a steady wave of anti-Semitic incidents roiled the country.

Last week, a psychology professor arrived at Columbia’s Teachers College on New York’s Upper West Side to find swastikas spray-painted red in the foyer to her office.

Two weeks ago, a mural honoring the 11 victims of the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre was defaced on the campus of Duke University in Durham, N.C.

And the week before that, a man got up during a performance of “Fiddler on the Roof” in Baltimore and shouted “Heil Hitler” as the audience ran for the exits, afraid gunshots might follow.

These episodes, and numerous others not reported widely — such as a Houston synagogue fire now being investigated as arson — have alarmed Jews and other Americans. As they celebrate an ancient military victory, in which a band of Jewish rebels rose up against their Greek-Syrian oppressors and rededicated the temple in Jerusalem, many are still reeling from Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue shooting.

The October massacre, which killed 11, has been called the deadliest anti-Semitic attack in the nation’s history. But even before that, incidents of anti-Semitism were breaking records. In its most recent report, the Anti-Defamation League found that the number of anti-Semitic incidents rose nearly 60 percent in 2017 over 2016, the largest single-year increase on record and the second highest number reported since ADL started tracking incident data in the 1970s.

For many American Jews, the flurry of anti-Semitic incidents is a reminder of the stories told by their parents and grandparents of Europe in the dark days before the Holocaust.

And a new survey by the Claims Conference, an organization that compensates Holocaust survivors with funds received from Germany, found that 58 percent of Americans believe something like the Holocaust could happen again.

A Star of David that is part of a tribute mural was vandalized with a swastika on the campus of Duke University in Durham, N.C. Photo by Olivia Levine via Facebook

But are things really that bad?

Most anti-Semitism watchers say no.

Worrisome as these incidents are, they are a sign that anti-Semitism persists but not cause for full-scale alarm.

“It’s clear there’s always been anti-Semitism in the U.S. because anti-Semitism doesn’t just go away,” said Jill Jacobs, executive director of “T’ruah: The Rabbinic Call for Human Rights.”

What’s changed, she said, is that “it’s become more socially acceptable to express it.”

Just when this wave of Jewish hate re-emerged is a matter of debate. The rise of white nationalism, white supremacy, neo-Nazis and other extremist groups may be one reason. The election of President Obama, the first African-American to occupy the White House, may have jolted white nationalists from their slumber, experts said.

But President Trump’s cultivation of a mostly white base of supporters, and his attacks against immigrants, asylum seekers, Muslims and foreigners, generally, may be enabling bigots to come forward, said Deborah E. Lipstadt, professor of Holocaust studies at Emory University and author of the upcoming book “Antisemitism: Here and Now.”

“People on the far right have been emboldened and have gotten what I call a ‘wink, wink, nod, nod’ from the highest levels of government and the president of the United States,” said Lipstadt.

But Lipstadt and others caution against seeing anti-Semitism as an exclusively right-wing phenomenon.

Activists on the left have also been accused of anti-Semitism. Last year, a lesbian pride parade in Chicago ejected three people carrying pride flags emblazoned with a Jewish Star of David. Earlier this year, a Washington, D.C., city councilman espoused a conspiracy theory that Jewish financiers control the weather. And in October, two instructors at the University of Michigan declined to write letters of recommendation for two Jewish students applying to study in Israel, calling attention to the ongoing harassment many Jewish students face on campus.

“You’ve got to be honest and see the anti-Semitism next to you and not just on the other end of the political spectrum,” Lipstadt said. “That’s really important.”

“Americans feeling warmer toward variety of religious groups.” Graphic courtesy of Pew Research Center

Overall, the fight against anti-Semitism has not been a partisan issue. Members of the U.S. House of Representatives’ Task Force on Anti-Semitism are split evenly between Republicans and Democrats. And after the Pittsburgh shooting, the House unanimously approved a bipartisan resolution condemning the synagogue attack.

And though a striking number of white nationalists ran for office in the 2018 midterms — including some blatant anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers, all running on the Republican ticket— nearly all of them lost.

Far from reviling Jews, most Americans have warm feelings for them. A 2017 Pew Research survey “feeling thermometer” found that Jews and Catholics continue to be among the groups that receive the warmest ratings. Half of U.S. adults rated Jews at 67 degrees or higher on the 0-to-100 scale. (Muslims scored at 48.)

“We don’t have the anti-Semitism problem that France does, or Germany or Belgium or Hungary or Poland,” said Ira Forman, former U.S. special envoy to monitor anti-Semitism from 2013 to 2017, and now a visiting professor at Georgetown University and senior adviser on anti-Semitism to Human Rights First.

Forman thinks there’s one big difference between Europe — where more than 28 percent believe Jews have too much influence in business and finance, according to a CNN poll — and the U.S. He calls it “civil society.”

“This mechanism, which gives support to people who have been persecuted and can ostracize the haters, is a very powerful mechanism.  We can build it up even further. It’s one of the important tools we have.”

Civil society is what led to an outpouring of interfaith services, in churches, synagogues and mosques, showing solidarity for the Jewish community after the Pittsburgh shooting. It led to multiple acts of kindness — from the $200,000 donated by Muslims to cover the cost of the funerals, to a San Francisco Sikh artist who created 150 menorahs and donated the profits to the local Jewish Community Relations Council.

Still, two days before Hanukkah started, Rabbi Eric Solomon and the staff of his synagogue — Beth Meyer Congregation in Raleigh, N.C. — spent the day in active shooter security training. Beth Meyer has beefed up security following the Pittsburgh shooting, as have most synagogues across the country, some of which have installed metal detectors at the door.

Solomon said he was grateful for the prayers, flowers and cards sent in the wake of the massacre. But in an op-ed in the local paper he said one more thing is critically needed: “You must raise your voice.”

Referencing the Book of Proverbs, he added, “Life and death are in the power of the tongue.”

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Yonat Shimron

Yonat Shimron is an RNS National Reporter and Senior Editor.

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  • I frequently see the term “bronze age religion” used in a pejorative way on the internet, i.e., it is used to insult, disparage, and belittle. Does this qualify as anti-Semitic? If not, why not? Is this term properly part of “civil society?” Does it show solidarity with the Jewish community or hostility?

  • The one institution that is supposed to prevent anti-Semitism, supposed to have prevented anything like Hitler, supposed to have prevented anything like the American KKK or other white nationalists, and supposed to have prevented the election of anything like the mouth of Trump in the United States is the Universal Christian Church. If it is repeatedly falling down on the ONE job it has—–to overcome hate talk in any society—–why don’t we talk about THAT? In America, we probably have 30 times the number of Christians as we have Jewish people. The latter should be completely safe, protected at all times by the former. Why not? Exactly, why not?

  • The Universal Christian Church looks pretty small. Nice people, I am sure, and they don’t appear to be anti-Semitic. Here is their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/UniversalChristianChurch

    The Danes, if we turn to larger groups, who have been largely Lutheran since the Reformation and were still so during WWII, had an admirable record of protecting the Jews. So we should talk about why some groups have been very successful in protecting the Jews and some have not been. This site (https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/bible-secularism-antisemitism/) argues that the attitude of an ideology or culture towards the Torah is the best predictor of its attitude towards Jews. Calvinist Holland and Puritan England strongly embraced the Hebrew Bible and generally displayed friendship and solidarity towards Jews,

    Perhaps, therefore, everyone should examine their attitude towards the Torah and the Hebrew Bible.

    America, as you know, played a major role in defeating Hitler and has generally been very supportive of Israel.

    As for the KKK, virtually every denomination has denounced the KKK, which was strongly anti-Catholic. See also Philip Jenkins’ book: The New Anti-Catholicism, the Last Acceptable Prejudice.

  • No, because anti-Semitism generally includes hatred of Jews as a people, not merely Judaism as a religion.

    So if you call Judaism a “bronze age religion”, it’s not necessarily anti-Semitic. After all, many Jews will actually agree with you. But when you start fabricating quotes from the Talmud and then insinuate that Jews follow said quotes, then it becomes anti-semitism.

  • Sorry (seriously) to have said something misleading—-out of my own dumbness. When I wrote and capitalized “Universal Christian Church”, I didn’t know and didn’t mean any real group with that name. I meant Catholics + Protestants + All Other Flavors in any way celebrating Christ in their churches or in the name of Christian. Everybody who ever speaks the name of Jesus in any context is supposed to be standing against hate, derision, discrimination against other people. I know it often doesn’t work out so sweet in practice, but it SHOULD, which was my point. A “Christian” nation SHOULD be the safest place in the world for ANY kind of minority population. If not, WHY NOT? This is supposed to be the premier signature of ANYTHING “Christian”, no?

  • I am always amused at how you and others passively assign blame to conservatives and Christians for the latest ills of society as if in a general sense those groups are ultimately responsible for those that live on the fringes of society.
    I go to mass a few times a week, and never do I hear the priest talk about how those damn Jews crucified Christ; and therefore we should go spray paint the local synagogue. Nor do we discuss it at the kids sporting events or birthday parties.
    Overall, Christians hate the sin and evil of the world and understand that better than most. In addition, THEY are more apt to help their fellow man out of charity; as they try to live Christ-like lives.
    Anti-semitism is wrong; no doubt. And regardless of the skyrocketing percentage of anti-Semitic attacks; it pales in comparison to the number of black and Hispanic Americans killed EACH day in the United States.
    Where are you Friendly Goat? Where are the other Friendly Goats when it comes to that level of hatred for their fellow man? 350+ murders of black Americans in Chicago as of last night. Are you an anti-blackite?

  • It’s an interesting perspective but I’m not sure how accurate it is. The position of Holland in particular is a bit more complex. 75% of Dutch Jews were murdered in the Holocaust – an incredibly high
    figure compared to other occupied Western European countries.

    Dutch society at an institutional level simply provided the most ordered society without any opposition to the Nazis. The Amsterdam government (where most Jews lived) collaborated readily as did the Municipal police (they rounded up the Jews with only the occasional Nazi present).

    Yet the Netherlands has also one of the strongest records of resistance to the Nazis. The Dutch underground hid an estimated 25-30,000 Jews and many staunch Calvinists, including pastors, mobilised in extraordinary ways to save Jews. Yad Vashem honours a higher proportion of Dutch Gentiles than for any other country.

    Moreover, the article mentions the Catholic Church. While the Vatican’s response to the Holocaust has been very controvertial among scholars, Pope Pious XII has been credited with saving the lives of many Italian Jews.

  • The Klan and Neo-Nazis, the largest deadliest and most organized anti-semites in the US consider themselves not only Christians but conservative and even reactionary ones. (See Roy Hobs, Strong119, and others who pop up here from that crowd).

    “never do I hear the priest talk about how those damn Jews crucified Christ”

    Only because you are trying to ignore it or engage in cheap denial.

    But if you were old enough you used to. For example the Catholic Church didn’t stop such rhetoric until 1965. When Paul VI disavowed such official antisemitism.

    Antisemitism is still pretty damn common among Evangelicals. Even their philosemitism is largely backhanded. For ex. Robert Jeffress, one of Trump’s “evangelical advisors” has stated that Jews are going to hell.

    “Anti-semitism is wrong; no doubt. And regardless of the skyrocketing percentage of anti-Semitic attacks; it pales in comparison to the number of black and Hispanic Americans killed EACH day in the United States. ”

    Seriously? Whataboutism here? Whatever point you were hoping to make, you dashed that one to bits.

  • Yad Vashem honours a higher proportion of Dutch Gentiles than for any other country.

    Wrong.

    They honor the entire Danish people for their efforts in rescuing their Jewish population from mass murder.
    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/rescue-in-denmark

    The Dutch collaboration with the Nazis even went as far as sending two units to fight for them on the Eastern Front.

    “Pope Pious XII has been credited with saving the lives of many Italian Jews.”

    The Vatican is also credited for setting up escape routes for high level Nazi war criminals. They did not disavow official anti-semitism until 20 years after the Holocaust.

  • Again, the thing liberals claim to hate and “fight against” is stereotypes and generalization; yet, they are very good at it because they like people in little boxes – especially when they can demagogue Christians and conservatives.
    If we’re going to be selective, let’s talk about Obama and the black racists he supported and ran with. Let’s discuss how he created the anti-cop behavior inside the black community. Let’s talk about the hate spewed by his personal spiritual advisor; the most holy Jeremiah Wright.

  • Yes, it is, and we should be proud of that to the extent we can be—-with what minority of anti-Semites we unfortunately do have on the fringes. I have come to think in later years that the USA should have been “the” homeland for the Jewish people. We have 40% of them now, and it maybe coulda, shoulda been 90%.

  • By all means make excuses for white supremacists or play denial games there. Avoidance and deflection seems to be the order of the day for conservative discourse.

    “let’s talk about Obama and the black racists he supported and ran with. ”
    OK, Impeach Obama! No third term!!!!

    So how many of these “black racists” were in his staff? I believe the number you are looking for is zero. Name one policy which was ever guided by “black racism”?

    “Let’s discuss how he created the anti-cop behavior inside the black community”

    Like in Ferguson, where the police and local courts operated a predatory shakedown operation of the black community there? Or how about the numerous unarmed black children murdered by cops with no legal reprecussions? Then there is the rampant profiling, selective prosecution and notoriously overzealous prosecution of people of color, mass incarceration, etc.

    Something tells me you really don’t want to discuss such things. It winds up coming back to white supremacists acting badly.

    Now lets get back to the right wing anti-semites you currently support, make excuses for, and have the undivided support of conservative politicians.

    How about we talk about something more current, like the three white supremacists who are/were on Trump’s staff (Bannon, Gorka and Miller) or his endorsement by Klan leaders and Neo-nazis.

    Oh wait, that would involve addressing the topic. You don’t want that.

  • Folder.
    Walker Awayer.
    Runner.

    Don’t speak wingnut, nor can read minds. Please give a statement with a subject and predicate which can invite a reasonable intelligent response.

  • I would like to think that Orthodox Christians are among the best supporters and defenders of the Jewish communities. Christians have deep roots in the Takakh-Old Testament, albeit, a very different understanding and usage of it Messianically. Other than fellow Jews of other Synagogues, Christians should be the second to step in with assistance when needed. Just as Jesus Christ himself crossed strong racial barriers in John 4 to dialog with a rebellious Samaritan woman, likewise, Christians should be imitating Jesus’ example for salvations from sins and eternal life! C’mon fellow Christians of various differences, let’s step in and show society just how well we love and obey Jesus’ Great Commission!

  • Let’s remember that the vast majority of the hate crimes, both non-violent and violent, are against #1. LGBTQ Americans. Twenty seven trans-sexual women, mostly black, were violently murdered in 2017 in the United States. #2. The vast majority of crimes against People Of Faith, were against American Citizen Muslims.
    Hate crimes against Jews are reprehensible, but they are also rare. Why don’t we readily see and hear those facts?
    Because Muslims do not own and control over 90% of all American Media. Also….every time an American publicly criticizes or condemns (mostly in print or on American University Campuses) the Israeli genocide and crimes against Palestinians, AIPAC counts each and every one as an “anti-Semitic attack.” To criticize Israel for it’s violence and human rights crimes, is NOT anti-Semitism. Arab Palestinians ARE Semites. They are the original Semites, who have been butchered and bombed and stripped of ALL their human rights by Israeli Jews.
    Does that make you angry? The facts, or the telling of those facts?

  • Correction: Americans who identify as Christian are fully 75% of our population. Self-identified American Jews are less than 1% of our population.

  • And remember, please, that the vast majority of the world’s Jews, in numbers, are NOT Zionists. No Orthodox Jew is a Zionist. Orthodox Judaism condemns Zionism as a POLITICAL and religious evil. Zionism is not a religion, just as the KKK is not Christianity. Remember, too, that fully half of Conservative and Reformed American Jews do NOT support the crimes, racism, violence, and Police State tactics of Israel. Add to that….a large number of Israeli Jews are Secular/Atheist Jews.

  • Except that your Catholic Priest, and your entire Holy Roman Catholic Church, rarely, if ever, says one goddamn word about Child Rapist Priests. Even more shameful, there are precious few U.S. Catholic parishioners (sitting in the pews) who are actively and vocally DEMANDING the end to the molestation and rape of children.
    The Roman Catholic Church is an International Crime Syndicate.

  • Christian Theology has ONE major tenet: that Jesus Christ (a former Jew) MUST be accepted, publicly, as Lord and Savior……….OR…….
    you will be thrown in hell, forever, when Jesus comes back to punish those evil, Chirst Killer Jews. Jews, after the Second Coming, will indeed have a choice: accept Jesus as Lord and Savior (at the point of a Christian Sword) OR burn in hell forever, because they really, really deserve it.
    No shit. That’s the End Game for Christianity. Burning more Jews.

  • Thanks for the link, though that’s not from Yad Vashem. Yad Vashem does not honor the entire

    Danish people as ‘Righteous Among Nations’ because the honor can only be given to individuals for concrete actions, rather than a collective. Moreoever, they have shown that the rescue was not always done with entirely alturistic motives. However, it does honor the Dutch underground with a memorial at the site.

    https://www.yadvashem.ORG/righteous/stories/the-rescue-of-denmark-jews.html

    “The Dutch collaboration with the Nazis even went as far as sending two units to fight for them on the Eastern Front.”

    As I tried to convey with my comment, the realities of all countries including the Netherlands under occupation was complex. It had one of the best records of resistance against Germany in Western Europe, but also significant rates of collaboration, the efficiency of which impressed even the Germans, to the point where 75% of Dutch Jews perished, which was higher than most other Western European countries.

    “The Vatican is also credited for setting up escape routes for high level Nazi war criminals. They did not disavow official anti-semitism until 20 years after the Holocaust.”

    I’m well aware of the controversy surrounding the Vactican’s actions during the Holocaust, but as far as I know the ‘ratlines’ were the work of individuals in the Papal beaurocracy and were never official policy of the Vactican.

    Perhaps I should clarify that I think that the attitude towards the Holocaust on the part of the Churches tended to have less to do with attitudes towards the Torah and more to do with the attitudes of the secular authorities. The Protestant and Orthodox Churches for the most part tended to follow a similar course to the secular governments in which they resided, while the Catholic Church’s attitude was contradictory and vacillating – genuine moral opposition to the Nazi’s atrocities and sometimes even sympathy for the Jews’ plight was tempered with considerable latant anti-semitism (which was official doctrine of the church until the 1960s) and a genuine fear of reprisals from the Nazi regime against its lay people if it spoke out.

  • ” The vast majority of crimes against People Of Faith, were against American Citizen Muslims…Hate crimes against Jews are reprehensible, but they are also rare.”

    In the world of reality, Jews are targeted by proportionately more hate crimes than Blacks, Muslims and Latinos.

    https://ucr.fbi.GOV/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/incidentsandoffenses_final
    http://www.aei.ORG/publication/2016-fbi-data-jews-were-3x-more-likely-than-blacks-1-5x-more-likely-than-muslims-to-be-a-hate-crime-victim/

  • I was just satisfied and gratified to learn that 71% of Jewish American voters chose Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump, in 2016.

  • I regularly use the term Bronze age in a non-flattering reference to some of the tenents of the Abrahamic religions. All ideas, including those espoused by religion, are up for discussion and criticism. Does that make me anti-Semitic, Islamaphobic and anti-Christian? I do not have animosity or hatred toward sincere believers of these religions and I will defend their right to practice their religion.

  • Can’t you be honest for once? Tell them the truth, that “anti-Semitism” was a term invented to calumniate those injured by Jews for daring to be angered by it.

  • What were they murdered with, you mountebank? Gas chambers? What color were they after being gassed to death in “chambers” with glass windows and doors that opened fro m the inside?

  • The documentation supports me, not you. You can even go to the camps and see for yourself. Do you want everyone calling you a liar your whole life?

    Have you figured what color the bodies would be? What color your witnesses said they were?

  • “The documentation supports me, not you.”

    Nope.

    Documents proving that roughly 1,500,000 people were deported to Treblinka , Bełżec and Sobibór.

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/0/15_HW-16-23-Hoefle-telegramhighlight.jpg

    Can you or any other ‘revisionist’ provide proof that even 1% of these people turned up elsewhere after being deported to these camps?

    Affadavit from Einsatzgruppen chief describing Einsatzgruppen killings in the USSR

    https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Vol-XXXI.pdf#page=47

    In it, he describes ‘eliminating Jews, men, women and children’, and
    estimates that his task force killed around 90,000 Jews. Also describes the use of mobile gas vans. The author of this affadavit was later executed.

    Testimony from SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf, the author of the above affadavit, where he confirms its accuracy

    https://www.famous-trials.com/nuremberg/1934-ohlentestimony

    Speech from H!tler stating that a World War would mean the ‘annihilation’ of the Jewish race in Europe

    https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Vol-XXXI.pdf#page=72

    Documents proving that the property of Jews deported to Auschwitz and Reinhard Camps, including gold teeth and underwear, were seized by the SS and distributed to other agencies.

    https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_war-criminals_Vol-V.pdf#page=705

    Document to Himmler concering the ‘Jewish action’

    https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_war-criminals_Vol-I.pdf#page=754

    (The author of this document was actually hanged for his responsibility for those sterilization experiments and other crimes. Brack’s defense was that his sterilization proposal was a ‘humane’ method of avoiding the outright murder of the Jews, which he said he opposed.)

    Document proving the existance of mobile gas vans

    https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Nazi_Vol-III.pdf#page=423

    Document proving Einsatzgruppen Murders

    https://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocJager.HTM

    Himmler explicitly talking about the ‘extermination of the Jewish people’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRO04q_lQi4

    Meeting between H!tler, Ribbentrop and Horthy, were Ribbentrop says that the Jews ‘must be annihilated or taken to concentration camps’

    https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Vol-XXXV.pdf#page=437

    Affadavit SS-Sturmbannführer Wilhelm Höttl, claiming that Eichmann told him that around 6 million Jews had been killed

    https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Vol-XXXI.pdf#page=91

    Letter from SD Chief Ernst Kaltenbrunner to the Mayor of Vienna, claiming that Jewish women and children unable to work would be ‘kept in readiness for special action’ which he admitted meant murder

    https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Vol-XXXIII.pdf#page=176

    Document alluding to mass killings in Treblinka

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-stroop-report-may-1943

  • Two forged documents , no bodies, no gas chambers, ergo you are a liar viciously enraged at being exposed and spewing childishly nasted threats.

  • You have a very bad, dishonest, and childish habit of sending long comments and then deleting them. Here is my response to your last lengthy deletion, so folks can understand the kind of games you play.

    “Funny! It’s the same list you gave me weeks ago in which none of the items say what they you say they mean. I guess you must have a following of total fools, who all like you flunked logic.”

  • Oh, here it is! Why did you play that silly game? Please note that I have proof of it in my incoming mail.

  • People who cite such stats are quick to dismiss the overwhelming majority of people who identify as Christians as “not being really Christian”. Especially those of a fundamentalist stripe who think their views and beliefs define the entire faith for everyone else.

  • If you have any questions, I suggest the following site

    http://www.hdot.org.

    It will give all sorts of details about such matters, ]

    If you are just a lying neo-nazi troll looking to pretend David Irving didn’t turn your entire viewpoint into garbage by revealing to the world what kind of lying scum Holocausr deniers are, then I suggest the same website.

  • There is nothing honest about holocaust denial. They already proved themselves to be malicious anti-semitic liars in open court,

    David Irving ruined it all for you losers by revealing all your arguments in court where they were subject to being cross examined and scrutinized by experts.

    See http://www.hdot.org

  • My guess is you are linking directly to the hate sites where you liars get your material.

    It is already established by preponderance of the evidence that Holocaust denial is nothing but malicious lying in support of neo-nazis

    See http://www.hdot.org

  • In the future, you can also rely on https://www.hdot.org/

    It is the website for the David Irving / Deborah Lipstadt Trial.

    It lays out all the stupid denier arguments and the evidence against them. More importantly the decision there is concrete proof holocaust deniers are nothing but malicious liars. There is not a single denier argument which Irving did not already use. His self-immolation in court took any pretense of taking them seriously as a group with him.

  • Just so you know, Acadia is an anti-semitic troll who has been cyberstalking me for weeks. I will not try to seriously engage with him, because I’m sure neither you nor other posters here want to read it.

  • For the record, I’m still yet to see a Holocaust denier who can explain away the Posen speeches by Himmler, never mind the more complex interlocking evidence regarding the Einsatzgruppen and the death camps.

  • Thank you! I have perused your site and it appears to be a delightful collection of pseudo evidence served up by devious fanatics like yourself, called by the world, Scum Holohoaxers. I have met many of you monsters snarling creeping out of the wood work recently. I looked up “gas vans”. Not a single one! What a surprise! Yet with fake testimony and a truck that supposedly looked like a “gas van”, you had proof of “gas vans”. What an amazing people you scum Holohoaxers are! You can find proof wherever you go, whatever the “evidence”.

    I also note that you establish yourself high in the ranks of vile calumniators as you go after a genuine historian, which none of you evil fakes can hold a candle to.

  • Nope. Just never heard of her very much, nor paid attention to it. I am saying your comments about her influence are exaggerated garbage.

    Its like political correctness and reverse racism. One sees more people objecting to such things than finding evidence of its existence. In reality it is something overblown for a specific dishonest partisan effect.

  • I have yet to see one who had any plausible explanations to support their views. Its not about sane and rational discussion.

    Its about saying things to deliberately annoy and defame people.

  • Aww what a lame comeback. Your entire view and all your arguments have been laid out for public scrutiny and the sole result was HOLOCAUST DENIAL WAS FOUND TO BE NOTHING BUT MALICIOUS LYING.

    “I looked up…” from where? I bet a site that used material David Irving cited and was found to be fictitious. The one thing about the guy is his public success involved incorporating all the garbage the neo-nazi liars put out on the subject. When he went up in flames, he took all of you with him.

    “as you go after a genuine historian”

    Nope David Irving did it to himself, l1ar. If he didn’t try to use tough UK libel laws against his critics, the case would have never gone to court. He was the plaintiff. The one who opened himself up to being torn apart by facts.

    Here’s a bit of advice, avoid wearing MAGA hats and polysester robes when you go to a cross burning. Otherwise you will probably go up along with it.

  • Not so. It is testimony of how severely the evil Holohoaxers and the Judeo-Nazis have corrupted the justice system of the febrile British Empire, nothing any decent person would brag of.

    Spuddie, you were unusually wise when you chose a fake dinosaur for your avatar. You don’t know yet that use of the slur, “anti-Semite”, marks you indelibly as a vile calumniator.

    It’s high time you became an adult and learned what “anti-Semitism” is really about.

    A Crash Course on the True Causes of “Anti-Semitism”
    The Saker • September 28, 2017

    So now we have it: the root causes of antisemitism are not to be found in some weird cause-less aberration common to every single nation on earth, but in the teachings of Pharisaic Talmudism. What is exceptionally pernicious is that by what could be referred to as cultural-osmosis non-religious Jews find themselves raised in a secular culture that still holds these kinds of beliefs, minus their external religious trappings.

    Furthermore, there are many non-Jews who, when seeing both religious secular Jews equally hostile to their religion and traditions, come to the conclusion that “all Jews” are bad. Throw in enough politicians (on both sides) to bring a flame to this toxic mix and you end up with an inevitable explosion. Hence all the persecutions.

    Judeophobia has its roots in the demonic teachings of the sect of the Pharisees whose religiously-sanctioned racism has, unfortunately, permeated the worldview of many secular Jews. As long as Orthodox rabbis will stick to their demented self-worship (this is real idolatry, by the way!), “antisemitism” will continue to “mysteriously” rear its ugly head.

    Brecht was right, “’The belly is still fertile from which the foul beast sprang”. He just got the ‘belly’ wrong.

    http://www.unz.COM/tsaker/a-crash-course-on-the-true-causes-of-anti-semitism/

  • Oh, then all your nonsense about so and so being a white nationalist Christian should be ignored- gotcha.

    You lie like a dog saying you don’t know who she is….
    I’m dumb; but not stupid.

  • On the contrary, HOLOHOAXING WAS FOUND TO BE NOTHING BUT MALICIOUS LYING.

    If you want to find out what real evidence is all about, why don’t you check this site out.

    codoh.COM

    But you would rather libel it site unseen. After all, it is your job to push the Holohoax. Who is your direct superior, so I can tell him how bad a job you are doing? We don’t want the Holohoax collapsing without a real fight, do we? Trucks that are just supposed to look like the hypothetical gas vans don’t count, unless you’ve had a lobotomy.

  • So all you have is lame insults and a cite to a source nobody needs to take seriously

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-unz-report/

    The Unz Review

    “QUESTIONABLE SOURCE
    A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, overt propaganda, poor or no sourcing to credible information and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the notes section for that source.”

    Bias: Extreme Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Hate Group

    Overall, we rate The Unz Review a Questionable Source due extreme right wing bias, promotion of propaganda and hate as well as utilizing poor sources

    http://www.hdot.org has a full archive of material on how Holocaust deniers shot themselves in the foot with full unedited court documents and transcripts. Set up precisely to tell lying sacks of sht like you to shove it.

  • Hehehe, the hypothetical “Posen speeches by Himmler”? How come the absence of mass graves and gas tanks, as little Spuddie, the dinosaur, has already admitted?

  • Why are sites that have real evidence, instead of the pseudo evidence that you have, always called hate sites by you? Because you just hate for daring to contradict your laboriously constructed lies?

  • Not going to go to that site either. It dates back to the 90’s. I am familiar with it and the kind of lying scum who cite to it. Could you find a more venerable source of garbage?

    All of its sources and arguments were cited by David Irving in his works and notably were shown to be malicious lying. See http://www.hdot.org.

    You must be a teenager or college student. Fools like you have been around and citing the same garbage online for 20+ years. There hasn’t been anything new from them since 2001. When David Irving immolated the entire notion anyone needs to take them seriously.

  • Why? Trump supports them in open and obvious ways. As do you.

    Its merely admitting your own position there. I have never cited Linda Sarsour in a positive way nor anyone on this site who identifies as liberals.

    You have cited white supremacists views as has our president.

  • I can’t help it if you are too scared to go to http://www.hdot.org. After all it has a full rundown of holocaust denier arguments and why they are garbage. Plus it has court documents showing where David Irving was proven to be a liar and holocaust denial along with it.

    I guess you are afraid of seeing how your garbage held up to outside scrutiny and challenge in a venue which permits laypeople to evaluate the veracity and accuracy of experts.

  • Hehe! Ron Unz suffers right wing bias? Etc? You blow away the entirety of your credibility right there.

    Don’t you know that Ron Unz was raised in a Yiddish speaking household?

    Then you blow it way again by referring to Media Bias/fact Check.

    https://www.justfactsdaily.com/media-bias-fact-check-incompetent-or-dishonest/

    That’s enough for now. I’ve got better things to do than explore your monumental idiocy. But I will be back when I want to do some more laughing at your bumbling insolence.

  • “Ron Unz was raised in a Yiddish speaking household”

    Just like every plantation had a bunch of House Negros, every ghetto had a Judenrat and Ghetto Police.

  • I can’t help it if one of the best websites for evaluating the veracity and bias of sources is saying you are full of crap. As a malicious lying dolt, you should be used to hearing such things. Of course people complaining about their own rating is the definition of self serving.

    Of course it has already been proven that holocaust deniers are just malicious liars..

    See http://www.hdot.org

  • Funny! I guess you fight only with deflated balloons. The peas in both your reference and evaluator have been popped.

    Please, is there even one thing in your “hdot” site that you believe can stand examination. please point it out. Then you can do it again. You choose. I pop. Deal?

  • I invite everyone to visit Ron’s site (unz.COM) and see for yourself, why Ron’s site is so very popular for writers and readers, why he have one of best commenting communities on lnternet.

    You should check it out too, Адина, so you will know what you talking about. If you continue to insult Ron, at least you won’t be doing it from the same abysmal ignorance. Perhaps fewer people will sneer at you. That would be nice, wouldn’t it?

  • That’s exactly what you’re about. Thank you for admitting it, vile calumniator and Holohoaxer, plus extorting as much money from other people as you can.

  • I feel bad for you. All your sources went up in smoke nearly 20 years ago and it’s news to you.

    Sorry l1ar, but nobody even has to pretend to take Holocaust denial seriously. It’s already been proven to be malicious lying in a public forum where claims were subjected to rigorous scrutiny and demands for support.

    See

    http://www.hdot.org

    I don’t have to pretend anything you say can be taken at face value. The default is to assume you are lying. Since it was already proven you view is nothing but malicious untruth. It’s all laid out for general perusal.

    The opinion of a liar like you is worthless. Be as mad as you want. I don’t care. You have nothing to say that anyone has to take seriously.

    You don’t like http://www.hdot.org ? I could not give a crap.

  • You must be very stupid. I told you a long time ago that I went there. I dare you to point to something specifically that you think can withstand examination, insolent garbage peddler.

  • See? You are a total liar. You can’t pick even one thing from your hdot.org garbage that you think will withstand examination. You can’t even point to one gas tank.

    The chief witness for the prosecution, Prof. Hilberg, that giant of Holocaustianity, found himself debating Prof. Faurisson, through defense attorney Christie’s Faurisson-informed cross-examination. Robert sat at the defense table, regularly providing Christie with texts and documents which reduced Hilberg, the “authority” whose knowledge could not be questioned, to a quivering pile of self-contradictory nonsense, and simultaneous startling revelations (there is “no scientific evidence for the gassings” was one of his confessions). This writer reported the trial from the press gallery. The contest was one for the history books: the first debate on the homicidal gas chambers between a revisionist professor and a “Holocaust” professor, wherein the latter was defeated by the former, lending weight to the probability that the gassings’ imposture maintains credibility only in a vacuum where no contradictions, challenges or cross-examinations are permitted.
    https://www.veteranstoday.COM/2018/10/25/robert-faurisson-a-freedom-fighter-to-his-last-breath/

  • Their historians used to claim that Hitler had conducted a policy of extermination against the Jews, involving, particularly, the use of weapons of mass destruction called homicidal gas chambers or gas vans. They would also assure us that, on the Eastern front, the Einsatzgruppen had engaged in gigantic slaughters of Jews. In the end, if one was to believe them, nearly all the Jews of Europe had thus been exterminated.

    So vast a crime would have presupposed an order, a project, a plan, overall guidelines, detailed instructions, funding, a monitoring of operations and expenditures, numerous assessments whether particular or general, research into and successful development of such weapons as mankind had not yet known, along with the involvement of a great many soldiers, scientists, engineers, builders and other employees. Such an undertaking, especially if it had been carried out in the utmost secrecy, would have required a set of draconian measures. All of this would have left much irrefutable evidence, both material and documentary. At first, the official historians had the nerve to state that such evidence did indeed exist, and “in abundance.” When challenged to supply “one proof, one single proof” of their own choice, they pulled back and, following Pressac’s example, thenceforth invoked only the existence of “criminal traces” or “beginnings of proof.” Retreating still further, they invented the claim that the great slaughter had occurred without any order or directive but spontaneously (like “spontaneous generation,” in a way). The most prestigious among them, Raul Hilberg, going back on his former affirmation that there had been two orders from the Führer to kill the Jews, proceeded to assert that in fact everything had happened without an order, without a plan, all thanks to “an incredible meeting of minds” (sic) within the vast German bureaucracy and to “a consensus-mind reading” (sic) among Nazi bureaucrats!

    No one has been able to find a single structure that could have been an authentic homicidal gas chamber. Not a single homicidal gas van, either. For the world’s greatest crime, the prosecution can produce no forensic examination of the weapon. Among the post-mortems not one attests to death by gassing. The alleged witnesses of “gassings” whom revisionists have been able to subject to a precise and public cross-examination in court have been unmasked. The execution gas chambers shown to tourists have been shown to be mere Potemkin-Village-like fakes. The massacres attributed to the Einsatzgruppen have left not one common grave approaching the dimensions of the mass graves in Katyn Forest (4,255 corpses counted) – a proven crime, that slaughter, and the culprits of which were our Soviet allies.

    – Robert Faurisson
    https://codoh.COM/library/document/4169/?lang=en

  • A quote from someone long debunked in http://www.hdot.org

    Codoh hasn’t produced anything new since 2001. Neither has any holocaust denier. Because they all went to crap after David Irving immolated himself. Irving quoted the hack Faurisson in his own works.

    Dude, you are a Coprolite Archaeologist. Digging up long fossilized dookie. Except you are trying to pass it off as fresh laid dung. How pathetic.

  • Triggered liar says what?

    There hasn’t been a single new thing coming from holocaust deniers since 2001. When their entire spiel was laid out for public evaluation and torn apart. I don’t even have to pretend you are making points which need to be addressed. It was done already nearly 20 years ago.

    See http://www.hdot.org for details.

    You are way too late for this party. The let’s take holocaust denial seriously ship sailed and left you behind. Poor thing.

  • I’m sorry, do you have any outside objective demonstration that Holocaust deniers are even remotely credible? Because I gave this big old court case which proved by a preponderance of the evidence that holocaust denial is obvious malicious lying.

    See http://www.hdot.org

  • Spuddie, you mean that you didn’t realize that all you $hit has been long refuted. See? You still can’t produce any evidence that you know is defensible.

    Sorry, but you really are inescapably sunk in your Holohoax without a single gas chamber or tank. You howl and bellow to hide the fact that you have nothing real.

  • Again you admit that you can find even one thing defensible in your collapsed Holohoax.

    Thank you!

    I enjoy watching you sick clowns sink in your own manure.

  • Why must you lie so badly? You don’t have a single source which even dates past 2001 (Probably not even 1995, judging by your citations).

    They all went to sht after David Irving went belly up.

    As seen in http://www.hdot.org

    I can’t help it if there is a big old declaration based on evaluation of evidence that concludes that Holocaust deniers are malicious lying sacks of crap. But there you go. Its a really long one which goes on in much detail about why people like you are just lying scum who do not need to be taken seriously.
    https://www.hdot.org/judge_toc/

  • Sorry, Irving lost that case only because he insisted that Lipstadt be convict of libel to a crooked judge. The evidence against the Holohoax was not impeached, nor have you yet produced one piece of defensible evidence for your Holohoax, not even one gas chamber or tank. You are a fraud, poor saurian Spuddie. You are not a real dinosaur. You are made out of paper mache, just like your Holohoax, no part of which you admit you find defensible.

    Howl again for my amusement, little Spuddie. Show everybody that there is not one part of your Holohoax you find defensible.

  • I am not bothering to take anything you claimed seriously. It is already established holocaust deniers are malicious liars. Nothing you say on the matter can be taken at face value. I admit that you are a rather lame little bigot trying to use long debunked garbage and pass it off as something novel or worth discussing. As I said, coprolite digging. Fossilized excreta.

    Sorry buddy but all the sources you cite here or arguments you claim were addressed rather comprehensively nearly 20 years ago.

    No debate with you is necessary nor does anyone have to address a word you said. Been there already done. You are too late
    https://www.hdot.org/judge_toc/
    https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/

  • Spuddie, you dear spastic dinosaur, it is your very own http://www.hdot.org, that admits that it can’t show a single gas chamber or a single gas tank. Such a pity! All that money spent, and all they have is another total failure for you Holohoaxers to cover up.

    Clown you are now, and clown you will be until the day you die, Holohoaxer!

    Thieving Holohoax Pushers get Owned and Mocked

    Laughing Mexican Guy – Six Million Jews

    https://www.youtube.COM/watch?v=nxbV3RsyQwI

  • Liar says wut? Nothing which hasn’t already been proven to be malicious lies on your part nearly 20 years ago

    See http://www.hdot.org

    The judge wrote nearly 350 page decision just so it can be shown to the world to see for themselves. So that one can take your lame claims that he was a crooked judge or the tribunal was improper and tell you to go phuq yourself.
    https://www.hdot.org/trial-materials/judgment-and-appeal/

    BTW I am not a dinosaur, I am an atomic powered mutant kaiju goddammit!
    http://www.weirdretro.org.uk/chillin-with-godzilla-behind-the-scenes.html

  • Look, I have the saurian Holohoaxer yammering in circles with still no defensible piece of real evidence for his Holohoax. In fact he’s so stupid, that he brags that he and the Holohoaxers are still inventing new stuff. Seventy years later these demented dinosaurs are inventing new “evidence” for their con game. Hehehe1

  • Keep going, sickie dinosaur, keep yelling to the world that you can’t choose a piece of Holohoax evidence that you can confidently defend. We are all snickering at your furious insolence!

    I’m sorry, but it’s clear to everyone that your Holohoax is no justification for the evil Judeo-Nazi thugs invading and raping Palestine.

  • OK. So you balked on that one. Because you don’t have a single source which dates after David Irving’s meltdown and public demonstration why holocaust deniers are all liars

    See http://www.hdot.org.

  • The judge was a Zionist assho’, just like you, Sarian Holohoaxer, and you can’t pick out one thing from his 350 page babble that to you is defensible or proves the Holohoax actually happened. You have nothing, saurian Holohoaxer, which means no Holocaust. You have zeroed out in the most important con game of your deluded life. Pick something to defend, you utter fraud!

  • I’m sorry, but it’s clear to everyone that your Holohoax is no justification for the evil Judeo-Nazi thugs invading and raping Palestine.

    I recommend that people read hdot.org too, then go to codoh.com to get pass any of the few lies not immediately obvious in hdot.org. Using both sites together is very instructive, if you want to build your own Holohoax, so you can do crimes against humanity, like Spuddie and the other Judeo-Nazi dinosaurs.

  • Do you even know what “balk” means, you self-admitted fabricator of new “evidence” for a Holohoax over seventy year done?

  • Poor pathetic lying fool is about 20 years too late for anyone to even pretend he needs to be taken seriously. Seeing that the entirety of holocaust denial was demolished in public back then

    As seen at http://www.hdot.org

  • Poor loser is annoyed his entire spiel is laid out and demolished in a website devoted to a case nearly 20 years ago. at http://www.hdot.org

    Poor thing still thinks he needs to be taken seriously. I am sure your mommie can bring some mac and cheese to the basement to make you feel better. Right after she cashes the welfare check and sees her meth dealer.

  • Thank you for https://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/Exhib/HowtoEngl.html!

    Do you ever bother to read any of the files you present? You suggest this one file without ever realizing how imbecilic it reads? You keep proffering hdot.org, without knowing even on thing in it that you feel capable of defending.

    When they gave out dinosaur brains, the gave you scat. That’s why you’re a holohoaxer unable to defend a thing.

    Instead, you kindly keep setting yourself up as a target.

    You don’t have very good friends.

  • Your opinion doesn’t mean very much given your current history as a malicious liar trying to dredge up fossilized arguments demolished nearly 20 years ago (see http://www.hdot.org )

    I don’t have to discuss a thing with you.

    Its telling that you can’t find holocaust denial works dating past 2001 thanks to it.

  • But again you are exposed a liar, since you can’t find anything to pick from that site that you find safe to defend.

  • Their historians used to claim that Hi+ler had conducted a policy of extermination against the Jews, involving, particularly, the use of weapons of mass destruction called homicidal gas chambers or gas vans. They would also assure us that, on the Eastern front, the Einsatzgruppen had engaged in gigantic slaughters of Jews. In the end, if one was to believe them, nearly all the Jews of Europe had thus been exterminated.

    So vast a crime would have presupposed an order, a project, a plan, overall guidelines, detailed instructions, funding, a monitoring of operations and expenditures, numerous assessments whether particular or general, research into and successful development of such weapons as mankind had not yet known, along with the involvement of a great many soldiers, scientists, engineers, builders and other employees. Such an undertaking, especially if it had been carried out in the utmost secrecy, would have required a set of draconian measures. All of this would have left much irrefutable evidence, both material and documentary. At first, the official historians had the nerve to state that such evidence did indeed exist, and “in abundance.” When challenged to supply “one proof, one single proof” of their own choice, they pulled back and, following Pressac’s example, thenceforth invoked only the existence of “criminal traces” or “beginnings of proof.” Retreating still further, they invented the claim that the great slaughter had occurred without any order or directive but spontaneously (like “spontaneous generation,” in a way). The most prestigious among them, Raul Hilberg, going back on his former affirmation that there had been two orders from the Führer to kill the Jews, proceeded to assert that in fact everything had happened without an order, without a plan, all thanks to “an incredible meeting of minds” (sic) within the vast German bureaucracy and to “a consensus-mind reading” (sic) among Nazi bureaucrats!

    No one has been able to find a single structure that could have been an authentic homicidal gas chamber. Not a single homicidal gas van, either. For the world’s greatest crime, the prosecution can produce no forensic examination of the weapon. Among the post-mortems not one attests to death by gassing. The alleged witnesses of “gassings” whom revisionists have been able to subject to a precise and public cross-examination in court have been unmasked. The execution gas chambers shown to tourists have been shown to be mere Potemkin-Village-like fakes. The massacres attributed to the Einsatzgruppen have left not one common grave approaching the dimensions of the mass graves in Katyn Forest (4,255 corpses counted) – a proven crime, that slaughter, and the culprits of which were our Soviet allies.

    – Robert Faurisson
    https://codoh.COM/library/document/4169/?lang=en

  • Hilarious! These saurian Judeo-Nazis always descent to the mother’s basement. It’s the world they know.

  • Just curious, Spuddie, what new things have you Holohoaxers come up with in the last twenty years? Or are you going to pass on that too?

  • That one hit close to home for you. So sorry your mommie blew the welfare check on meth and there is no mac and cheese for you in the basement.

  • Thank you! That demonstrated that you will believe anything with no evidence presented. No wonder you are a demented Holohoax unable to defend any of the nonsense you think you believe in, not even a single thing.

    How many people did the Jews kill in the Holodomor? In the Armenian genocide?

  • “How many people did the Jews kill in the Holodomor? In the Armenian genocide?”

    Those well-known Jews Talat Pasha and Joseph Visarionovich Stalin.

  • “Judeo-Nazi thugs”

    You literally repeat Nazi propaganda. Why do you even use the term ‘Judeo-Nazi’ as an insult considering you obviously don’t think the Nazis were that bad.

  • You think Stalin was a Jew? How about Genrikh Yagoda, the “Jewish Hitler”?

    Do you know the Donmeh?

  • All Nazis are dreadful. Judeo-Nazis are the worse. They worked together like brotherly comrades with the Nazis, feeding Jews into Himmler’s slave camps, where American and British murdered them by bombing out their food supply system. Mass murderer Winston Church had been working on developing this since 1936 on instructions from the Jewish money power.

  • But as usual you are unable to employ anything from it. You are afraid to. You got murdered the last time you did.

  • Genrikh Yagoda wasn’t appointed head of the NKVD until 1934, AFTER the Holodomor. And the idea that ‘the Jews’ were responsible for this one person’s actions is another shameless anti-Semitic libel.

    Soviet leaders

    Vladimir Lenin (Russian)
    Joseph Stalin (Georgian)
    Georgy Malenkov (Russian)
    Nikita Khrushchev (Ukranian)
    Leonid Brezhnev (Ukranian)
    Yuri Andropov (Russian)
    Konstantin Chernenko (Russian)
    Mikhail Gorbachev (Russian)

    Soviet Prime Ministers

    Vladimir Lenin (Russian)
    Alexei Rykov (Russian)
    Vyacheslav Molotov (Russian)
    Joseph Stalin (Georgian)
    Nikolai Bulganin (Russian)
    Nikita Khrushchev (Ukranian)
    Alexei Kosygin (Russian)
    Nikolai Tikhonov (Ukranian)
    Nikolai Ryzhkov (Ukranian)
    Valentin Pavlov (Russian)
    Ivan Silayev (Russian)

    Soviet Interior Ministers

    Felix Dzerzhinsky (Polish)
    Vyacheslav Menzhinsky (Russian)
    Genrikh Yagoda (Jewish)
    Nikolai Yezhov (either Russian or Polish)
    Lavrentiy Beria (Georgian)
    Ivan Serov (Russian)
    Alexander Shelepin (Russian)
    Vladimir Semichastny (Russian)
    Yuri Andropov (Russian)
    Vitaly Fedorchuk (Ukranian)
    Viktor Chebrikov (Ukranian)
    Vladimir Kryuchkov (Russian)
    Vadim Bakatin (Russian)

  • How many of the bolshevik leaders were Jews?

    The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia’s …
    Immediately after the [Bolshevik] Revolution, many Jews were euphoric over their high representation in the new government. Lenin’s first Politburo was dominated by men of Jewish origins. Under Lenin, Jews became involved in all aspects of the Revolution, including its dirtiest work.
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

    Jews and Bolshevism: Names and Lists. The Council of the …
    It is a well-known fact that the Bolsheviks were and are financed by Jewish interests in the West. At a Bolshevik celebration rally in New York’s Carnegie Hall on the night of 23 March 1917, a telegram of support from Jacob Schiff of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. was read out.
    heretical.com/miscellx/bolshies.html

  • Mark Weber has a million tons more than you Hollowhoaxers of no real evidence whatsoever. You can even give me a genuine piece of evidence to refute, just trash that never proves what you claim. You are a totally discredited fraud.

  • Members of Lenin’s Politburo-

    Vladimir Lenin (Russian)
    Lev Kamenev (Jewish)
    Andrei Bubnov (Russian)
    Grigori Sokolnikov (Jewish)
    Joseph Stalin (Georgian)
    Leon Trotsky (Jewish)
    Grigory Zinoviev (Jewish)
    Elena Stasova (Russian)
    Yakov Sverdlov (Jewish)
    Mikhail Kalinin (Russian)
    Nikolai Bukharin (Russian)

    Mikhail Tomsky (Russian)

    Of the Politburo’s original 10 members, only 3 were Jewish. Of the Central Committee’s 21 members only 5 were Jewish. Of the 15 members of the first Soviet Cabinet, 11 were ethnic Russians, two were Ukrainians, one was a Pole and only one was Jewish.

    Jews, like other national minorities oppressed under the Tsar like Latvians, were disproportionately represented within the party in its early stages (not under Stalin, who purged most of them), but not to the extent that it was ‘dominated’ by Jews. And in any case, only a small minority of Jews were communists.

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=p2Hxcbxl0OoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+Cultural+Front:+Power+and+Culture+in+Revolutionary+Russia&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi19Mvb5onfAhXQSsAKHU78DLcQ6wEIKzAA#v=onepage&q=Jewish&f=false

    This isn’t going well for you, is it?

  • You must be cursed with a failing memory. I’ve already told you several times I looked at your nonsense, and you’ve been unable to choose any part of it worth defending. How come? You forget what you’re doing again?

  • I’m just curious as to what is to be gained by any one individual, group of people or government by perpetuating a hoax such as the holocaust?
    It seems implausible that such a hoax could be pulled off without substantial resources, manpower and control of history across time and in multiple languages.
    More importantly, what does it have to do with you that you are willing to argue about it?

  • Sadly, on one hand you have idiots like the guy you’re talking to; and on the other hand you have worldwide apathy. Combine that with the distance of time, and it will be repeated again one day.

  • Parker12, so a little examination exposes you as a presumptuous fraud. I’m not surprised. You’re just another hasbarat masquerading as a neutral party to order to facilitate the sabotage of moving toward correcting outrages against justice. I thought you sounded too uneducated to be believed. Being abused by dishonest, malevolent imbeciles only demonstrates that I’m doing something right to get such people libeling me.

    It’s funny the kind of warped defenders fossilized wits like Spuddie gets, while he hasn’t proved any holocaust yet.

    I bet like Spuddie you’re all a-goo-goo over Deborah “Lying” Lipstadt’s calumny against a very good, resourceful, honest historian, David Irving.

  • Yeah! Let’s do that! I just love crazy talk delivered with sneering insolence between the half-educated.

  • This is why there is such a concerted effort at documentation. Even from the moment Allied/Soviet troops came across the camps there was the need to commit it to media so that nobody could claim it was just a story or propaganda.
    https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/

    This is why the judge in the Irving/Lipstadt trial wrote a 349 page blow by blow analysis and comprehensive judgment. While I am at it I also want to plug the film Denial starring the lovely Rachel Weisz concerning the trial.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/09/denial-review/502298/

  • I bet a Holohoaxer dimwit like you never figured out the relationship between Obama and his owner, the inglorious crook, Penny Pritzker, who introduced her boy to all her bankster friends. Did any of you clowns ever wonder what Penny was doing with the personnel at Commerce? Or were you clowns too busy discussing people your limited, incoherent understanding viewed as idiots?

  • Did you know that use of the slur “anti-Semite” stamps you as a vile calumniator with no moral floor. It’s time you became an adult and found out what “anti-Semitism” is all about.

    A Crash Course on the True Causes of “Anti-Semitism”
    The Saker • September 28, 2017

    So now we have it: the root causes of antisemitism are not to be found in some weird cause-less aberration common to every single nation on earth, but in the teachings of Pharisaic Talmudism. What is exceptionally pernicious is that by what could be referred to as cultural-osmosis non-religious Jews find themselves raised in a secular culture that still holds these kinds of beliefs, minus their external religious trappings.

    Furthermore, there are many non-Jews who, when seeing both religious secular Jews equally hostile to their religion and traditions, come to the conclusion that “all Jews” are bad. Throw in enough politicians (on both sides) to bring a flame to this toxic mix and you end up with an inevitable explosion. Hence all the persecutions.

    Judeophobia has its roots in the demonic teachings of the sect of the Pharisees whose religiously-sanctioned racism has, unfortunately, permeated the worldview of many secular Jews. As long as Orthodox rabbis will stick to their demented self-worship (this is real idolatry, by the way!), “antisemitism” will continue to “mysteriously” rear its ugly head.

    Brecht was right, “’The belly is still fertile from which the foul beast sprang”. He just got the ‘belly’ wrong.

    http://www.unz.COM/tsaker/a-crash-course-on-the-true-causes-of-anti-semitism/

  • Do us all a favor, type your post BEFORE you start on the meth pipe. That post was just wild ramblings of someone who obviously left sobriety.

  • Holocaust denial is one of the earliest forms of trolling in online discussions. It is not about making plausible claims. Its about cheesing people off with antisemitic lying.

  • See? You admit that you find profundity only in meth pipe. No wonder, you cam’t find any coherency in your thought.

    I guess wondering why Penny was installed at Commerce by Obama after being fine half a $billion for corrupt banking practices was a bit much for your meth pipe to plumb.

  • There you go again, needlessly stamping yourself as a vile calumniator. Remember, that Linda Sarcour and other Middle Easterners have suffered horribly at the psychopathic hands of the invader Judeo-Nazi terrorist regime brutally squatting on Palestine. Or are you one of those particularly moronic Jews that believe gentiles should be grateful for being driven with terror from their homes?

  • I feel bad for this guy. He’s got a lot of time and energy invested in a false reality. What a waste.

  • “Anti-America” statements?

    In what way? Why do you feel that she is obligated to speak well of America, right, wrong, or grievously wrong? That’s your policy right? Doesn’t that transform you to idiocy??

  • Instead of replying to my other comments; why don’t you address my first comment to you:
    Why? Why is it a hoax and what is to be gained by perpetrating such a hoax?

  • He has a lot of time and energy invested in trolling. Its not about facts or reality. Its about annoying others with blatant untruth.

  • Could it be I love watching time-wasting, mendacious idiots suffer? Are you too stupid to look at the evidence yourself?

    Why don’t you ask the Holohoaxers why they fight so viciously to preserve their Holohoax against all inquiry?

  • You certainly haven’t shown any enticing intellect. You can’t even pick on piece of evidence that you consider unassailable. Penny Pritzer wouldn’t even hire you as a busboy.

  • Note how this slimy thing above wriggles and writhes in the bright light of irrefutable evidence. It tries to bite with its poisonous ad hominems and employs desperate distraction maneuvers, but all this for naught – its deception gland has been cut off.

  • How is my fault that everything I look at is junk, isn’t what it claims to be?

    I guess you have been defrauded. You can’t even choose yourself one small part to defend, much less show one gas chamber or tank.

    I challenge anybody else to find something at hdot.org that they would defend against inquiry. How many of those out there can find anything defensible at hdot.org? Please feel free to use codoh.com to aid you in your defense or anything else. Note that Spuddie himself is useless and worthless.

  • But poor deluded Адина, where is this irrefutable evidence? Please present some evidence that I can’t refute. Sorry, but making outrageous claims based on wild extrapolations and challenging me to refute them is not presenting irrefutable evidence, ergo you are a liar and a vile calumniator to boot..

  • Already been presented to you, but here’s some more.

    Dimension des Völkermords. Die Zahl der jüdischen Opfer des Nationalsozialismus (Dimension of the Genocide. The Numberof Jewish victims of National Socialism)

    https://www.degruyter.COM/view/product/220100

    In this study each chapter is devoted to one country under the Nazi occupation. The summary result: the number of the victims is between 5,3 and 6,3 million.

  • I would blame the drugs and inbreeding. Obviously your brain is addled. Trying to revive fossilized dookies long demolished by http://www.hdot.org.

    (Codoh’s content hasn’t changed since Limp Bizkit was a thing)

  • Hehehe! Poor Spuddie! Out of that whole site he can’t choose one thing to challenge with. Spuddie is a laughable fraud. I wonder how long he will continue making a hoot of himself, as his beloved Holohoax goes down the drain.

  • All I see is the drugs and lack of a full set of chromosomes have left you a bitter and sputtering. Poor thing. I suggest reading stuff at http://www.hdot.org. Because nobody ever has to take a holocaust denier seriously.

  • 5.29 to 6.2 million? Not even the utterly mendacious Yad Vashem believes in those numbers anymore! This Wolfgang Benz pulls numbers out of the air then adds them up. Surprise! He gets close to 6 million, the legendary number for which the Holohoaxers have already been aiming for at for nearly four decades before the War.

    Yet the fool can’t prove one gas chamber or fire pit or mass grave containing thousands of bodies.

    Sorry, but you holed yourself in the head again by running to another holohoaxer with made-up data.

  • I asked you; and when given the opportunity to explain how you derived at your warped sense of reality – you distract, misdirect and ignore.
    I feel sorry for you.

  • I have a very clear sense of reality, and I clearly see you warped into a boomerang hitting nothing but its point of departure. Note that you still haven’t said a single thing of substance, but only the debased blather of a would-be mind f***er, not a good idea with your boomerang nature.

    I feel sorry for you… that’s the first lie I’ve told tonight.

  • Why do you stupidly assume I’m Palestinian? But I’m not surprised. You haven’t got the wit to understand why a people savagely invaded by European barbarians should hate those barbarians.

  • You’re getting closer to nothing, boy, you just don’t have the wits. I could hand you the key, and you wouldn’t have the wits to look for a key hole. That is unhidden history for all to examine. Still witless?

  • Dear FriendlyGoat,

    Why exactly not you ask?

    First, there is no such thing as a “Universal Christian Church”. There has not been anything remotely like a “Universal Christian Church” in Western nations since the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century which itself followed the split between the Roman and Byzantine Churches in the Great Schism of 1054 CE. A quick count of just the many Protestant sects in the US alone will confirm this fact. A separate fact is that Martin Luther, the author of the 95 theses that lead to the Protestant Reformation, was himself one of the most notorious antisemites of history.

    Next you assign responsibility for Jewish safety to someone else. I know that some Orthodox Jews believe that they can fetishize Shomer Shabbos regulations and rely upon other people who have not been chosen by God to staff hospitals, maintain the electrical grid, and defend the country. I see this particular practice as a delusion that is also profoundly unethical.

    Finally for me the fatal flaw in your argument is that you conflate Christian moral thought with Christian institutions and by extension, Jewish moral thought with Jewish institutions. Do you know about the Borgia popes? Have you ever heard a televangelist speak? Do you know about statements made by successive Chief Rabbis of Israel with regard to who is and who is not a Jew and therefore, who has their permission to reside or get married there? I do not understand why so many people continue to drink such poison or like you, seek refuge where it has never existed.

    I am also horrified by developments that I had previously believed were impossible in the United States. However, I like the constitutional protections such as freedom of speech and separation of church and state that still exist here. And I absolutely do not like the ugly religious-nationalist theocracy that seems to be developing in Israel. Perhaps what some see as a property deed from God is in fact a test to determine whether Jews actually support the values we claim.

    Though I have criticized religious ideas, my goal here is criticism of religious institutions as possible sources of the safety you seek. To my knowledge, no one on a white horse is coming to save me; therefore, I probably should not wait for someone else to solve my problems. Right now like so many Jews other than Mr. Netanyahu and Jared Kushner, the only rapture that I seek is the news that Trump, Pence, and every zombie enabler are gone and that Nancy Pelosi has become the 46th President of the United States.

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