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With Kaine and Pence, religion finally takes center stage in Election 2016

Democratic U.S. vice presidential nominee Senator Tim Kaine, left, and Republican U.S. vice presidential nominee Governor Mike Pence debate during their vice presidential debate at Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia, on October 4, 2016. Photo courtesy of Reuters/Jonathan Ernst

(RNS) Religion hasn’t played much of a role in the presidential campaign. Sure, Donald Trump made a faux pas when he placed cash on the Communion plate. And Hillary Clinton has occasionally invoked a phrase popular among members of her Methodist faith to discuss how her religious beliefs undergird her career in government.

But mostly the major parties’ two presidential aspirants have kept faith at a distance, as did the moderator of their debate on Sept. 26.

That changed during the first and only vice presidential debate Tuesday (Oct. 4). Moderator Elaine Quijano asked a pointed religion question of Democratic vice presidential nominee Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia and his GOP opponent, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence.

Democratic U.S. vice presidential nominee Senator Tim Kaine, left, and Republican U.S. vice presidential nominee Governor Mike Pence debate during their vice presidential debate at Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia, on October 4, 2016. Photo courtesy of Reuters/Jonathan Ernst

Democratic vice presidential nominee Sen. Tim Kaine, left, and Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Mike Pence debate at Longwood University in Farmville, Va., on Oct. 4, 2016. Photo courtesy of Reuters/Jonathan Ernst

“You have both been open about the role that faith has played in your lives,” Quijano said. “Can you discuss, in detail, a time when you’ve struggled to balance your personal faith and a public policy position?”

For those for whom faith is central in their lives — and for those who believe faith plays too big a part in political decision-making — Quijano’s question and the candidates’ answers made for a highlight of the campaign.

And the Twitterverse noticed that faith had entered into the discussion, from Kaine’s mention of his Jesuit education to Pence’s talk about his opposition to abortion.

But the discourse on religion could be a fleeting one this election season.

“My suspicion is that this is it,” The Brookings Institution’s Bill Galston said of the vice presidential candidates’ discussion of faith. “I do not expect a theological discussion between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.”

But it could have been different, he continued, had the Republican who came in second to Trump in the GOP primaries won the nomination. Ted Cruz, the Texas senator who kicked off his campaign at Liberty University, a stronghold of conservative Christianity, eagerly talked about his own Christian beliefs on the campaign trail.

Instead, Galston said: “The Republican Party decided to nominate someone whose religiosity is not central to his public persona.”

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Lauren Markoe

Lauren Markoe has been a national reporter for RNS since 2011. Previously she covered government and politics as a daily reporter at the Charlotte Observer and The State (Columbia, S.C.)

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  • The candidates should be questioned on how they will defend and protect our secular Constitution from the intrusion of religious based laws and policy. Every candidate for public office should read (or watch) John F. Kennedy’s Address to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, on September 12, 1960. “I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute–where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote–where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference–and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish–where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source–where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials–and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.” https://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Viewer/ALL6YEBJMEKYGMCntnSCvg.aspx

  • Yet nary a word from Kaine, Pence, or Quijano about marriage equality.
    I guess debating that issue would have been too clarifying.

  • That would have definitely been more clarifying. It would have led to a discussion of how Pence wants to impose his religious views on the masses, as he attempted (to the detriment of his state’s economy) in IN. It definitely should have been raised as an issue to highlight each candidate’s actual experience and results.

  • The Kaine/Pence veep debate made it abundantly clear that Kaine is on the side of religious liberty and Pence has nothing but contempt for religious liberty and our constitutional heritage of church-state separation. Pence’s record as Indiana governor bears this out. He has been trying to lead his state down the path to clericalism with his push against women’s rights of conscience on abortion and in forcing all taxpayers to support special interest church-run private schools through vouchers. A Trump/Pence victory in November would be a catastrophy. — Edd Doerr

  • Another demonstration that we are a meaning-maiking, not a rational. species. Human meaning making requires a narrative of cause and effect but so-called causes can be totally irrational, and most are. using teh Bible as a science text book, however, is the most pathetic and far more primitive than the meaning making among so-called primitive tribes.

  • At a time when all other governments claimed their legitimacy by an anointing from God, the Founder of this nation’s government rejected God as the basis of legitimacy and instead placed legitimacy in two sources: “We the people” and the people’s being constrained by human rights. But America’s Chrisitianistas claim that God is America’s king and that America is to be legitimately governed by God only through a few “anointed men”–no women and no Democrats. Disgusting.

  • Kaine being a jesuit explains it all..jesuits have been undermining governments from within for centuries! they are always leftist marxist in ideology. no wonder kaine was antagonistic towards Pence when he was talking! UNDERMINING the conversation when he had 2 minutes to make his point which kaine always tried to halt..I trust a Trump over a jesuit any day of the week. In fact jesuits have been kicked out of countries in the past for their bad behaviour and attempts to undermine already cohesive governments in europe and elsewhere.

  • Kaine is most likely a bleeding heart for gays, abortion and covering up hillary’s mistakes to make it happen for himself. Self seeking is his moral issue for kaine.

  • kaine being a jesuit is one more reason why i cannot stand him nor hillary..they are marxist in viewpoint and have been kicked out of countries many times over for their meddling within govt.

  • It’s always disappointing to me when someone whom claims to be Christian lies like Pence did. There are clips of trump that millions have seen, but in the debate there was pence saying it never happened. In penceworld trump never said anything laudatory about Putin; trump is not going to build a wall, etc. There were so many it was shocking. In many ways, pence tried to throw trump under the bus. In pence’s mind, this wasn’t a VP debate. It was an audition for the R nomination for 2020.

    But pence is a Christian so I guess the lies and the deviousness of his motives don’t count. (Jeez, I can’t imagine why more people aren’t drawn to Christianity.)

  • study the jesuits then you have Kaine figured out..he is a jesuit by schooling. that’s what i mean.

  • marriage equality between men and women in my book are both equal! Gay men..well let them enjoy what i’s like to get a divorce and feel the pain of loss of homes and money! idiots!

  • you too!This is absolutely brilliant. A surprising article from the New Yorker Magazine. This magazine has always been a left wing apologizer so this article is even more amazing. Don’t pass it up.

    The author is the political correspondent for Bloomberg and wrote extensively about Obama even before he was nominated.
    “Who is Donald Trump?” The better question may be, “What is Donald Trump?”
    The answer? A giant middle finger from average Americans to the political and media establishment.
    Some Trump supporters are like the 60s white girls who dated black guys just to annoy their parents. But most Trump supporters have simply had it with the Demo-socialists and the “Republicans In Name Only.” They knew there wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between Hillary Rodham and Jeb Bush, and only a few cents worth between Rodham and the other GOP candidates.

    Ben Carson was not an “establishment” candidate, but the Clinton machine would pulverize Carson ; and the somewhat rebellious Ted Cruz will (justifiably so) would have been tied up with natural born citizen lawsuits (as might Marco Rubio). The Trump supporters figure they may as well have some fun tossing Molotov cocktails at Wall Street and Georgetown while they watch the nation collapse. Besides – lightning might strike, Trump might get elected, and he might actually fix a few things. Stranger things have happened (the nation elected an [islamo-]Marxist in 2008 and Bruce Jenner now wears designer dresses.)

    Millions of conservatives are justifiably furious. They gave the Republicans control of the House in 2010 and control of the Senate in 2014, and have seen them govern no differently than Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Yet those same voters are supposed to trust the GOP in 2016? Why?
    Trump did not come from out of nowhere. His candidacy was created by the last six years of Republican failures.
    No reasonable person can believe that any of the establishment candidates [dems or reps] would have slashed federal spending, rein in the Federal Reserve, cut burdensome business regulations, reform the tax code, or eliminate useless federal departments (the Departments of Education, Housing and Urban Development, Energy, etc.). Even Ronald Reagan was unable to eliminate the Department of Education. (Of course, getting shot at tends to make a person less of a risk-taker.) No reasonable person can believe that any of the nation’s major problems will be solved by Rodham as she is simply the third verse of Obama’s waning swan song.

    Many Americans, and especially Trump supporters, have had it with:
    · Anyone named Bush
    · Anyone named Clinton
    · Anyone who’s held political office
    · Political correctness
    · Illegal immigration
    · Massive unemployment
    · Our out of control federal spending
    · Our National Debt that exceeds our GDP (Can you say Greece?)
    · Phony “official” unemployment and inflation figures
    · Welfare waste and fraud
    · Money being spent on Illegal immigrants
    · People faking disabilities to go on the dole
    · VA waiting lists
    · TSA airport groping
    · ObamaCare
    · The Federal Reserve’s money-printing schemes
    · Wall Street crooks like Jon Corzine
    · Michelle Obama’s vacations
    · Michelle Obama’s food police
    · Barack Obama’s golf
    · Barack Obama’s arrogant and condescending lectures
    · Barack Obama’s criticism/hatred of America
    · Valerie Jarrett
    · ” Holiday trees”
    · Hollywood hypocrites
    · Cop killers while Black Lives Matter
    · Gun confiscation threats
    · Stagnant wages
    · Boys in girls’ bathrooms
    . Whiny, spoiled college students who can’t even place the Civil War in the correct century… and that’s just the short list.
    Trump supporters believe that no Democrat wants to address these issues, and that few Republicans have the courage to address these issues. They know that Trump is their way of saying, “Screw you, Hillary Rodham and all the Do Nothing Republicans!” The more the talking head political pundits insult the Trump supporters, the more supporters he gains. (The only pundits who seem to understand what is going on are Democrats Doug Schoen and Pat Caddell and Republican John LeBoutillier.
    But America does not need a tune-up at the same old garage. It needs a new engine installed by experts – and Hillary Rodham is not a mechanic; she merely manages a garage her philandering husband abandoned. Trump is also not a mechanic, but he knows where to find the best ones to work in his garage. He won’t hire his brother-in-law or someone to whom he owes a favor; he will hire someone who lives and breathes cars.
    “How dare they revolt!” the “elites” are bellowing. Well, the citizens are daring to revolt, and the RINOs had better get used to it. “But Trump will hand the election to Clinton !” That is what the Karl Rove-types want people to believe, just as the leftist media eagerly shoved “Maverick” McCain down GOP throats in 2008 – knowing he would lose to Obama. But even if Trump loses and Rodham wins, she would be nothing more than a caretaker, not working to restore America ‘s greatness but merely presiding over the collapse of a massively in-debt nation. A nation can perhaps survive open borders; a nation can perhaps survive a generous welfare system. But no nation can survive both – and there is little evidence that Hillary Rodham understands that. The United States cannot forever continue on the path it is on. At some point it will be destroyed by its debt.
    Yes, Trump speaks like a bull wander[ing] through a china shop, but the truth is that the borders do need to be sealed; we cannot afford to feed, house, and clothe 200,000 Syrian immigrants for decades (even if we get inordinately lucky and none of them are ISIS infiltrators or Syed Farook wannabes); the world is at war with radical Islamists; and we cannot continue trying to spend our way out of debt.
    Is Trump the perfect candidate? Of course not. Neither was Ronald Reagan. But unless we close our borders and restrict immigration, all the other issues are irrelevant. One terrorist blowing up a bridge or a tunnel could kill thousands. One jihadist poisoning a city’s water supply could kill tens of thousands. One electromagnetic pulse attack from a single Iranian nuclear device could kill tens of millions. Faced with those possibilities, most Americans probably don’t care that Trump relied on eminent domain to grab up a final quarter acre of property for a hotel, or that he boils the blood of the Muslim Brotherhood thugs running the Council on American-Islamic Relations. While Attorney General Loretta Lynch’s greatest fear is someone giving a Muslim a dirty look, most Americans are more worried about being gunned down at a shopping mall by a crazed [islamic] lunatic who treats his prayer mat better than his three wives and who is fool enough to think that 72 virgins are waiting for him in paradise.
    The establishment is frightened to death that Trump will win, but not because they believe he will harm the nation. They are afraid he will upset their taxpayer-subsidized apple carts. While Obama threatens to veto legislation that spends too little, they worry that Trump will veto legislation that spends too much.

    You can be certain that if Hillary wins in November 2016 … [her] cabinet positions will be filled with the same people we’ve seen before. The washed-up has-beens of the Clinton and Obama administrations will be back in charge. The hacks from Goldman Sachs will continue to call the shots. And American will continue her continuing decline as other great democracies in history.

    If the establishment wins, America loses.

    Roy Kaplan

  • it’s called a book or youtube to understand the jesuits and their nasty habits of meddling into peoples affairs. read a book or go to youtube and listen to Walter Veith on jesuit persecution of others and their nasty affiliation with the Pope!

    Kaine is a trained jesuit..if thats what you want as a vice president- knock yourself out!

  • Spoken with a true understanding of the current political vernacular, and with no understanding whatsoever about the humans it insults.

  • deal with it..i suppose you think gays have less constitutional rights as regular people..is that what your deferring to? they have the same..let them experience the fall out in a divorce! you want equality then you get the full dose when a judge gives you a lousy verdict gay or straight! deal with it! bleeding heart liberal..i’m sure karl marx’s books are not on your shelf! why is that?

  • it’s a fair answer to divorce and the ugliness it paves the way for two people..if gays want so called equal rights in a divorce..then let them experience the full brunt as we all do..are you suggesting they get special treatment! obviously your wanting to coddle a certain segment of our society as if they needed coddling.

  • They should bring up religion..recently that psychopathic mentally ill woman called hillary was reciting scripture to a black congregation as if she believed it! what a joke! she hates christians they are deplorable and unredeemable people as she mentioned 2x’s in one week! she is a racist and a hater of those of any real faith…and she calls herself a methodist but what kind is she!

  • “are you suggesting they get special treatment! obviously your wanting to coddle a certain segment of our society as if they needed coddling.”

    And here that started out as a question.

    I suggested in my previous post that calling people (emphasis) “idiots” is insulting, just as I suggest in my present post that making up stories about what I’m “wanting to” do, and then responding angrily to what you’ve made up about me, is mentally and socially unhealthy.

  • Mrs. Clinton said half of Trump’s supporters are deplorable, and later apologized for saying “half”. She was right to apologize. Though I’ve seen and heard many more, at this moment, I count only 1.

  • she said it again to a reporter the next day..you seem to be covering for her lousy verbatim of hate speech about other’s..and yes the trump campaign took her real thoughts as real and how she feels about 50% of us americans..she still believes it,,you don’t change on a dime and repent but in her case she had to but it was phony as her so called monogamous marriage! she is an idiot for being so high minded and insulting..so it’s not ok for me! Send me her tweet so i can humbly apologize to that so called demeaning person she really is.

  • so what did pence do to you in your dislike of him as a christian>? or is your mind set in stone against anyone of faith except your own brand? this usually a smoke screen for secular humanism and has no real say in one’s faith who believes in a person of deity. Secular humanism is in many way a religion without a person realizing it. many are lulled in by the postmodern society and the trappings of p.c. dogma et al infinitum..this is why so many of us are tired of the Kaines and the clintons lambasting anything to control your thinking like them. Clinton is another non game changer of insider establishment nonsense. When she says 50% are deplorable- she means it without any real APOLOGY!

  • As I said, he lied repeatedly. I know that when known figures publicly behave in ways that are shameful, that causes people to turn away from Christianity. That in turn harms sincere believers and the good work they do.

    That’s why.

  • thanks for telling me nothing you were asked a question and you deflected it like a good liberal.

  • You asked, “so what did pence do to you in your dislike of him as a christian>?”

    Thats what I answered.

  • I agree that Jesuits pursue “Liberation Theology” but they are not the friends of Marxism some critics make them out to be. Just ask the Marxists!

    “”The order of the Jesuits achieved successes and failures, and together with the whole of Catholicism, became in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century an army deployed in the fight against communism. But the time of the priest warriors was, at least for most of them, past. Still, they fulfilled and played a role in the class struggle. A large number of priests who embraced the liberation theology came from their ranks, and even if a few passed on our side, to the side of the revolution, most followed the path of Francis as critics of the evils of capitalism (but in order to better defend this system) and preaching that Christian charity and prayer to God will solve our problems, if not on earth, in heaven perhaps.

    Trotsky, taking stock of the Church in general and of its fighting body, the Jesuits, thus ended his short analysis:

    “However, the juxtaposition of Bolshevism and Jesuitism still remains completely one-sided and superficial, rather of a literary than historical kind. In accordance with the character and interests of those classes upon which they based themselves, the Jesuits represented reaction, the Protestants, progress. The limitedness of this ‘progress’ in its turn found direct expression in the morality of the Protestants. Thus the teachings of Christ ‘purified’ by them did not at all hinder the city bourgeois, Luther, from calling for the execution of revolting peasants as ‘mad dogs’. Dr. Martin evidently considered that the ‘end justifies the means’ even before that maxim was attributed to the Jesuits. In turn the Jesuits, competing with Protestantism, adapted themselves ever more to the spirit of bourgeois society, and of the three vows: poverty, chastity, and obedience, preserved only the third, and at that in an extremely attenuated form. From the point of view of the Christian ideal, the morality of the Jesuits degenerated the more they ceased to be Jesuits. The warriors of the church became its bureaucrats and, like all bureaucrats, passable swindlers.”

    Yes, this is true for most Jesuits, but we must remember that they are still the largest Catholic order that exists today and that our bishop of Rome, Francis, seems to follow the three vows with conviction. We do not know yet to what extent he can achieve that these three vows win a majority in the Church, but we know he is not just a “supporter” of dictators. After all, he ran against Benedict XVI, lost the election in the last conclave and, unlike other losers, did not desist and came back, this time being elected, against all predictions by the Vatican “experts”.”

    http://www.marxist.com/the-jesuit-pope-who-is-francis-and-who-he-pretends-to-be.htm

  • jesuits take an oath and it is a pernicious oath to their cause, they were part of the inquisition in spain and many other places in europe who by their meddling caused serious harm to millions of people.

  • Any group that believes that a “God” gives them the authority where the end justifies the means is pernicious to a free and open society. It would be a positive step forward to eliminate the encroachment of religion upon our secular state.

  • “psychopathic mentally ill woman called hillary”…
    “reciting scripture to a black congregation as if she believed it!”…
    “she hates christians”…
    “she is a racist”…
    “a hater of those of any real faith”…
    “she calls herself a methodist but what kind is she!”…
    “you seem to be covering for her”…
    “her real thoughts”…
    “she is an idiot”…
    “so high minded and insulting”…
    “demeaning person she really is”…

    I envy your omniscience. I bow to your projection skills. I’m in awe of your breeder reactor rage. I concede your ability to magnify your mentor’s message. And I am heartened by the ease with which you prove Hillary’s point.

    I hope my feedback, and that of so many others in the comments sections of RNS, will give you nourishing food for thought, and the motivation to chew before swallowing.

  • I’m not going to list all the videos because there are soooo many. This should help you out:

    The AP reports that 79% of what Tim Kaine said at the VP debate was true. For pence? 30%. In other words, 70% of what pence said was a lie. 70%. He’s evidently trying to challenge trump, who lies every 3 minutes and 15 seconds.

    Imagine what they’d say if they weren’t “good Christian men.”

  • my my my..you sure are a hater of men with your anti christian values this country was founded on for your freedom..well that’s gratitude for someone who loves to listen to the biggest feminazi on earth- hillary liar clinton..the biggest liar that ever was and will ever be…her feminist values were made with a faustian bent with the devil.

  • This is absolutely brilliant. A surprising article from the New Yorker Magazine. This magazine has always been a left wing apologizer so this article is even more amazing. Don’t pass it up.

    The author is the political correspondent for Bloomberg and wrote extensively about Obama even before he was nominated.
    “Who is Donald Trump?” The better question may be, “What is Donald Trump?” The answer? A giant middle finger from average Americans to the political and media establishment.
    Some Trump supporters are like the 60s white girls who dated black guys just to annoy their parents. But most Trump supporters have simply had it with the Demo-socialists and the “Republicans In Name Only.” They knew there wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between Hillary Rodham and Jeb Bush, and only a few cents worth between Rodham and the other GOP candidates.

    Ben Carson was not an “establishment” candidate, but the Clinton machine would pulverize Carson ; and the somewhat rebellious Ted Cruz will (justifiably so) would have been tied up with natural born citizen lawsuits (as might Marco Rubio). The Trump supporters figure they may as well have some fun tossing Molotov cocktails at Wall Street and Georgetown while they watch the nation collapse. Besides – lightning might strike, Trump might get elected, and he might actually fix a few things. Stranger things have happened (the nation elected an [islamo-]Marxist in 2008 and Bruce Jenner now wears designer dresses.)

    Millions of conservatives are justifiably furious. They gave the Republicans control of the House in 2010 and control of the Senate in 2014, and have seen them govern no differently than Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Yet those same voters are supposed to trust the GOP in 2016? Why? Trump did not come from out of nowhere. His candidacy was created by the last six years of Republican failures.
    No reasonable person can believe that any of the establishment candidates [dems or reps] would have slashed federal spending, rein in the Federal Reserve, cut burdensome business regulations, reform the tax code, or eliminate useless federal departments (the Departments of Education, Housing and Urban Development, Energy, etc.). Even Ronald Reagan was unable to eliminate the Department of Education. (Of course, getting shot at tends to make a person less of a risk-taker.) No reasonable person can believe that any of the nation’s major problems will be solved by Rodham as she is simply the third verse of Obama’s waning swan song.

    Many Americans, and especially Trump supporters, have had it with:
    · Anyone named Bush
    · Anyone named Clinton
    · Anyone who’s held political office
    · Political correctness
    · Illegal immigration
    · Massive unemployment
    · Our out of control federal spending
    · Our National Debt that exceeds our GDP (Can you say Greece?)
    · Phony “official” unemployment and inflation figures
    · Welfare waste and fraud
    · Money being spent on Illegal immigrants
    · People faking disabilities to go on the dole
    · VA waiting lists
    · TSA airport groping
    · ObamaCare
    · The Federal Reserve’s money-printing schemes
    · Wall Street crooks like Jon Corzine
    · Michelle Obama’s vacations
    · Michelle Obama’s food police
    · Barack Obama’s golf
    · Barack Obama’s arrogant and condescending lectures
    · Barack Obama’s criticism/hatred of America
    · Valerie Jarrett
    · ” Holiday trees”
    · Hollywood hypocrites
    · Cop killers while Black Lives Matter
    · Gun confiscation threats
    · Stagnant wages
    · Boys in girls’ bathrooms
    . Whiny, spoiled college students who can’t even place the Civil War in the correct century… and that’s just the short list.
    Trump supporters believe that no Democrat wants to address these issues, and that few Republicans have the courage to address these issues. They know that Trump is their way of saying, “Screw you, Hillary Rodham and all the Do Nothing Republicans!” The more the talking head political pundits insult the Trump supporters, the more supporters he gains. (The only pundits who seem to understand what is going on are Democrats Doug Schoen and Pat Caddell and Republican John LeBoutillier.
    But America does not need a tune-up at the same old garage. It needs a new engine installed by experts – and Hillary Rodham is not a mechanic; she merely manages a garage her philandering husband abandoned. Trump is also not a mechanic, but he knows where to find the best ones to work in his garage. He won’t hire his brother-in-law or someone to whom he owes a favor; he will hire someone who lives and breathes cars.
    “How dare they revolt!” the “elites” are bellowing. Well, the citizens are daring to revolt, and the RINOs had better get used to it. “But Trump will hand the election to Clinton !” That is what the Karl Rove-types want people to believe, just as the leftist media eagerly shoved “Maverick” McCain down GOP throats in 2008 – knowing he would lose to Obama. But even if Trump loses and Rodham wins, she would be nothing more than a caretaker, not working to restore America ‘s greatness but merely presiding over the collapse of a massively in-debt nation. A nation can perhaps survive open borders; a nation can perhaps survive a generous welfare system. But no nation can survive both – and there is little evidence that Hillary Rodham understands that. The United States cannot forever continue on the path it is on. At some point it will be destroyed by its debt.
    Yes, Trump speaks like a bull wander[ing] through a china shop, but the truth is that the borders do need to be sealed; we cannot afford to feed, house, and clothe 200,000 Syrian immigrants for decades (even if we get inordinately lucky and none of them are ISIS infiltrators or Syed Farook wannabes); the world is at war with radical Islamists; and we cannot continue trying to spend our way out of debt.
    Is Trump the perfect candidate? Of course not. Neither was Ronald Reagan. But unless we close our borders and restrict immigration, all the other issues are irrelevant. One terrorist blowing up a bridge or a tunnel could kill thousands. One jihadist poisoning a city’s water supply could kill tens of thousands. One electromagnetic pulse attack from a single Iranian nuclear device could kill tens of millions. Faced with those possibilities, most Americans probably don’t care that Trump relied on eminent domain to grab up a final quarter acre of property for a hotel, or that he boils the blood of the Muslim Brotherhood thugs running the Council on American-Islamic Relations. While Attorney General Loretta Lynch’s greatest fear is someone giving a Muslim a dirty look, most Americans are more worried about being gunned down at a shopping mall by a crazed [islamic] lunatic who treats his prayer mat better than his three wives and who is fool enough to think that 72 virgins are waiting for him in paradise. The establishment is frightened to death that Trump will win, but not because they believe he will harm the nation. They are afraid he will upset their taxpayer-subsidized apple carts. While Obama threatens to veto legislation that spends too little, they worry that Trump will veto legislation that spends too much.

    You can be certain that if Hillary wins in November 2016 … [her] cabinet positions will be filled with the same people we’ve seen before. The washed-up has-beens of the Clinton and Obama administrations will be back in charge. The hacks from Goldman Sachs will continue to call the shots. And American will continue her continuing decline as other great democracies in history.

    If the establishment wins, America loses.

    Roy Kaplan

  • So the Associated Press tally of pence’s and trump’s lying shows nothing redeemable about either of them. By response you go off with your own untrue assumptions and name calling.

    Lies every 3 minutes and 15 seconds. Lies 70% of the time he is speaking. That’s the issue we were discussing kev, the issue you’re running from. Let’s continue with it. Your turn . . .

  • Lies every 3 minutes and 15 seconds. Lies 70% of the time he is speaking.

    you said it.”He .lies every 3 minutes and 15 seconds” ( 70%) = is how you see this..i want to know what was said every 3 minutes first..then the 15 seconds…………..in another email.

    this is hyperbole from your leftness..your just running out of time with a discourse to obfuscate an answer logically…this is expected from the left. I see the lies from the media daily and private citizens as yourself..nothing new under the sun.

  • I agree that we have 2 candidates that are more than likely less qualified for the job..but trump being a non politician- easily ruffled and remarkably a great businessman as he made himself to be did more to bring jobs jobs jobs to thousands if not millions of people than hillary ever promised to her constituents when she was a senator and then said “seeya” in 4 years leaving a vacuum of no jobs as she had promised..seems logical why people gravitate to a liar rather than a doer!

    And the band played on and on and on..
    “i’m just watching the wheel go round an round” John Lennon

  • I looked at all your responses and did not find 1-500 things trump lied about..if you have that many in your file under Trump lies..would please post all of them?

  • kev, I’m not going to look up all the lies. If you don’t want to believe the Associated Press, then don’t. Just stick to your own little world. If trump’s lies every 3.25 minutes and pence lying 70% of the time doesn’t bother you, there’s nothing I can do.

    That you expect me to document all those lies is ludicrous. It’s like counting how many drops of rain fell from Hurricane Matthew. Ain’t gonna happen.

  • Well, when a candidate has the endorsement of every major hate group it speaks badly of everyone involved.

  • A “great businessman” loses nearly one Billion dollars and cheats dozens of contractors and their employees out of pay for work fairly done?

    Don’t you know only about 1/3 of his grandiose plans ever get done?

    He went bankrupt on casinos? Casinos – where the house has the built in advantage, the odds are in his favor. But still, another bankruptcy, another team of hard working people cheated out of their fair pay.

    I wonder what a bad businessman is?

  • kev, you haven’t just drank the trump kool-aid, you’re a mainlining trumpelstilskin. Woo-hoo!

  • This is exactly what i expected..go look at the Lame Media news that is supporting hillary! you blew off like most liberals do..no specifics just emotions.

  • So you only read or listen to news outlets that reinforce what you already think? Too bad for you. Okey dokey kev, have fun in your own world. Bye.

  • ///News (USA) is not telling us exactly what has happened in Syria, but news sources outside USA news services do tell a different story..what makes you think your getting solid info? you have 2 major corporations who own the news media and both are biased and liberal. go figure that out- it’s not hard to do!

  • FOX, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC.etc etc..all profitably owned by biased opinionated from the left and right..mostly the leftist journalist hacks at CNN-ABC CBS and NBC bought and paid for to tell us what THEY want to tell us.

  • why do think that when Trump makes a verbal mistake he gets bad press 10x’s more than hillary’s basket of deplorable comment?

  • If you lefties out there want to run on emotional so called facts let me preface by saying//i’d rather have specific facts not emotional hysteria!

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