Late third century Roman marble of Jonah

Late third century Roman marble of Jonah Creative Commons

I suspect the Holy One would be amused.

I can understand why the good folks of Mosul maintained a shrine on the spot where the Prophet Jonah is reputedly buried. After all, the guy came to town (then called Nineveh) preaching repentance, and then, after everyone donned sackcloth and fasted, God decided not to destroy them after all.

The thing is, though, Jonah wanted the city destroyed. God’s merciful decision, as the King James puts it, “displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.” So God must teach his recalcitrant prophet yet another lesson.

When Jonah sets himself up in a hut to see what will become of the city, God provides a plant (translated “gourd” in the King James) to give him some much appreciated shade, and then provides a worm to kill the plant by the next morning. Once again, Jonah is pissed. Whereupon God dresses him down with the book’s immortal last words:

Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night: And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more then sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

So now along comes ISIS and blows up the shrine erected where that denouement presumably took place. The jihadis, radically puritan, don’t approve of worship at shrines dedicated to mortals.

Jonah himself would be plenty annoyed. It’s clear from the story that he has a pretty high opinion of himself. I didn’t go to Nineveh in the first place, he tells God, precisely because I knew you were a softie. That a bunch of zealots should take out that zealot’s tomb is, one might say, poetic justice.

And one day soon, one can hope, they’ll get theirs.

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Mark Silk

Mark Silk

Mark Silk is Professor of Religion in Public Life at Trinity College and director of the college's Leonard E. Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life. He is a Contributing Editor of the Religion News Service

44 Comments

  1. Lynne Newington

    A lot of relevance pertians to these Holy Sites all through history which you would know more than I, some more for material gain recalling the fight for those in Jerusalem by the Holy See.
    They were looking for concessions for religious and refused to pay outstanding land taxes going back many decades…….

  2. God and Jesus should concentrate more on destroying the churches that have a history of their priests, ministers and pastors whom rape children and the leaders whom covered it up.

    Seems God and Jesus are remaining mute on this subject and has turned their backs on the victims of these evil, disgusting crimes against them…and stands up and supports the rapists of their churches.

    I remember when I was getting raped by my perverted, disgusting Man of God…and so do many others of us, that while we were being raped…we were begging God and Jesus to save us from it…but hey…they must have been taking a vacation at those times.

    So please explain to me why, then tens and tens of thousands of us, whom were being raped by their Men of God…they did NOT send down angels to defend and protect us…

    WHILE SENDING ANGELS TO PROTECT OUR RAPISTS AND THEIR LEADERS WHOM COVERED IT UP?

    • “Vengeance is mine,” saith the Lord, “I will repay.”
      “The Lord is not slack concerning His promises, as some men count slackness, but is merciful and long suffering, willing that all men should come to repentance.”

      • @Diogenes,

        “Vengeance is mine,” saith the Lord, “I will repay.

        Shame on you.
        This is incoherent nonsense from a grown up! Useless garbage.
        Where is this ‘vengeance’? When has it ever happened?
        Never.

        1. God asks me for faith – which means he is very insecure.

        2. God asks me to do things – which means he cannot do them without me.

        3. God asks me to spread his word – which means he cannot spread the word without me.

        God needs me more than I need him. Gosh. Almost like he can’t do anything without me!

        And what do I get for my effort?

        Nothing – except a profoundly stupid promise of a bauble berry after I am dead; To spend eternity with his royal highness The Silent Incompetent Doofus Himself!

        That is not even close to a fair trade.

    • Frank,

      God will soon render deserved judgment against Babylon the Great (the world empire of false religion) himself for their actions and misrepresentation of him, as promised at Revelation 17:1-17 and 18:1-8.

      • @Fran,

        There are 67 Million Catholics in the United States. It is already a shrinking number.

        Statistics have shown a continuing drop off of religion in America. If the Catholic Church folds up its tent many of those Catholics would probably not continue with any Christian traditions at all – shrinking the Christian population even further.

        For once, you and I are hoping for the same thing.

  3. Ronald Sevenster

    There you have it! A so-called Catholic, Mark Silk, openly siding with the Islamic monsters who persecute and kill Jews and Christians and destroy their sacred sites. What a dispicable attitude, what a disgrace!

      • Chaplain Martin

        Diogenes,
        I think you are right, but that didn’t stop all the comments from coming.
        As usual many of the comments have little to do with the actual subject of the article. It does give people a place to vent, I hope it helps.

    • @Ronald Sevenster,

      ALL RELIGIONS – INCLUDING CHRISTIANITY
      are determined to commit desecration – of the other side!

      ISLAM SAYS TO OTHERS:
      “The only true faith in God’s sight is Islam.” (Surah 3:19)
      “Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it.” (Surah 2:216)
      “Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” (Surah 5:51)

      JUDAISM SAYS TO OTHERS:
      “Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood.” (Jeremiah 48:10
      “Seize all the non-believers and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight…” (Numbers 25:1-9)

      CHRISTIANITY SAYS TO OTHERS:
      “To those who would not have me as their king, bring them to me and execute them in front of me” – JESUS (Luke 19:27)
      “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! …what constraint I am under until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on Earth? No, I tell you, but division.” – Jesus (Luke 12:49-51)
      “Jesus said…Except they repent of their deeds. I will kill her children with death.” (Rev:1:22)

      All of this is evil.
      Religion must be abandoned one believer at a time.

      • Chaplain Martin

        Bro Max
        “Religion must be abandoned one believer at a time.”
        Gee Max, are you now an atheist evangelist seeking to convert believers away from their faith?
        A rather scary thought comes to mind, are you going to throw me into the proverbial Lions den if I don’t recant my faith in God? Well actually Lions are protected these days, don’t want to upset their stomachs. Two things religious fundamentalist and atheist have in common is taking scripture verses out of context and harangue people with it. I do admit that the entire chapter of Luke 12 as well as Matthew 10 is difficult. Maybe I’ll get a blog, what ever that is, and we can discuss it more.

        • Bro Chaplain Martin,

          Dude, I wouldn’t hurt a fly. You know that.
          I’m a humanist. And strongly in favor or your right to your religion.

          But we need the world to get more secular, not more religious. The pendulum must swing back to decency, kindness, respect for women, science, critical thinking and humanism.

          The continuation of humanity depends on it.

          We will make no progress for the next generations by
          denying climate change, evolution, women’s rights, contraception and personal responsibility.

          What is not needed is more of religion and its promotion of further ignorance, genital mutilation, creationist nonsense, superstitions, vicarious redemption and the rest of it.

          I don’t believe in god, I see no evidence for it yet.
          In the meantime, religion needs to be questioned just as vigorously.
          The claims of religion are so inhuman and cruel
          it is astonishing that there is any work to do on this at all!

          • Lynne Newington

            Just because one doesn’t believe in God, doesn’t mean they don’t believe in the sacredness of life, justice or lack ethics.
            As a point of interest, it was the International Humanist and Ethical Union that took brought the Holy See to account back in September 2009, for breaching the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, as a signatory. Although it hasn’t to date, so it appears, helped Frank, it has certainly been a precurser for other bodies to build a case against them and face the humilation not only as a contradiction as a Christian entity, but as Christ’s Vicar in perpetuity, failing to protect those brought before him spiritually in their innocence by their parents at the Baptismal Fonte.
            Frank, you’re not forgotten as with all the others, a believer in God or not.
            Fight on and above all, don’t quit!

          • Chaplain Martin

            Bro Max
            I’ll have to admit that I wrote you “tongue in cheek”. I am a Christian humanist, there are a goodly number of us. I hold to the “social gospel,” doing for others. Religious Icons are not my thing. I still think Mark wrote his article with his “tongue in cheek”. It is ironic that a hater like Jonah would have a statue.

          • Bro Chaplain,

            Riddle for you:

            Which ingredient unites all of these people?

            a Christian Humanist
            a Muslim Humanist
            a Jewish Humanist
            and an Atheist Humanist

            Answer: Humanism.

            But which ingredient is a threat to that humanism?
            The Religions each claims as true:

            “Slay them all” – Holy Quran, Islam
            “Execute them” – Jesus, Holy Bible
            “Kill the non-believers” – The Law, Judaism Torah

    • Frank LaFerriere

      There you have it! A so-called Catholic, Mark Silk, openly siding with the Islamic monsters who persecute and kill Jews and Christians and destroy their sacred sites. What a dispicable attitude, what a disgrace!

      REALLY RONALD…AGAIN YOU PROVE A CHRISTIANS HYPOCRISY.

      How many Pagan temples did Christians destroy?
      How many Native American sacred areas did Christians destroy?

      Islamic monsters who persecute Jews and Christians?

      How about all the persecution that Christians have done in their history?

      The Crusades. the Inquisitions, the Destruction of the Native Americans?

      How about all those sick and twisted priests, ministers and pastors screaming for the death penalty for gays and lesbians?

      What about Pastor Worley whom wanted to have nazi style concentration camps built for gays and lesbians but could not get it through the house and senate?

      How about the pastors responsible for the forging and passing of the Kill the Gays bills?

      You sicken me. Yeah…I certainly hope and pray that what Christians have shown in their history…they now reap.

      Maybe we ought to show you what REAL persecution is? Maybe put a red hot coal filled Popes Pear up your rectum, while placing you in a Judas Chair and setting YOU on slow roast?

      Freaking hate you twisted, hypocrite christians whom whine and complain about persecutions being done to Christians while Christians are responsible for ohhh… about 3 BILLION deaths in their history…due to their persecuting them.

      Oh and that does in fact include Adolph Hitler and the Nazi’s because NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY…HITLER WAS IN FACT A CHRISTIAN…AND SAID SO MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES.

      • @Frank,

        Thanks for making me look like the voice of calm around here.
        As much as I hate religion – and I do – I would not advocate violence.
        Your tirade is fun but it goes too far.

        Christians deserve what they dish out but I wouldn’t deliver it to them – I would stop at shame.
        Shame is enough.

        • Atheist Max…you do it your way and I will do it my way.

          I’ve tried shaming them…they have no shame.

          Funny how scumbag Christians can scream like Worley and the rest how gays and lesbians should be put into concentration camps, or hell, let’s just kill them outright ya know?

          Or how about all the victims of rape by their priests, pastors and ministers, covered up by their leaders, defended and protected by their parishioners…all they while they scream how they are the defenders of children?

          Jesus Christ went into the temple twice…and cleaned house.

          It is time he comes back and does the same.

          Me…I have gone beyond shaming them…using the very same tactics they use against others…screw it.

          I say this…Gather all Christians, Muslims and Jews, put them on Antarctica and let them have their bloody last battle there. They will NOT be happy til they destroy the world to fulfill their prophecy…well let them do it…and leave the rest of us alone.

          Oh and the last time we turned our cheeks to them…they burned us at the stakes and tortured us…just to show us how loving they were to us.

          • @Frank,

            “Gather all Christians, Muslims and Jews, put them on Antarctica and let them have their bloody last battle there.”

            I wish we could.

            In the meantime…
            I’m trying to first defeat the power of religion by increasing the Separation of Church and State.
            Second, by challenging religious people to explain their claims whenever I hear them.
            Third, by shaming these beliefs publicly when the claims are not substantiated – which they never are.

            Religion must die. The believers think they are the good guys – and that is the sickness of it!

      • Lynne Newington

        Yes Frank we know about all that, in some instances agree with you and understand your need to vent your feelings but……… be a little more measured, I myself wish you well and sincerely hope sooner rather than later, redress will come your way.

        • Not to speak for Frank here, but I suspect ‘redress’ is the bare minimum of what he wants.

          He is looking for people of religion to wake up and realize that the whole ball of wax is a charade operating against humanity.

          That is not a ‘redress,’ he is hoping for people to sabotage the entire concept of religion and denounce it for the evil it is.
          And I am with him 100% on that.

          • Frank LaFerriere

            Oh yeah Max, I challenge them all the time. I also use their bible against them.

            Take for instance their insistence that homosexuality is an abomination, and typically they use Leviticus and other old testament passages to back up their assertions.

            When I find them doing that…I pull out all the other abominations.

            It is an abomination to eat pork, so I ask them, eat bacon? Pork Ribs? Pork Chops?

            To bad, your an abomination and should be put to death.

            There are many of them I use against them. Like stoning to death their mouthy children, or if they wear mixed fabrics, or if men ever shaved their beards, or if any woman wears pants, etc.

            Of course they also come back with…OH THOSE WE NO LONGER HAVE TO FOLLOW.

            That is when I come back with the biblical teaching from their Lord and Savior…not one tittle of the law is passed. If you use one, you use them all.

            Kind of freaks them out and that is when I then get the death threats from them.

            Gotta love these Christianists.

            I especially love it when they go on a rant and say well Pol Pot, et al…including Hitler were atheists and look at all the people they slaughtered.

            Well yeah Pol Pot and a few others were communist based atheists…but then I slam them with all of Hitlers quotes about how he was a Roman Catholic, a Christian and that the Nazi’s were on a mission from Christ to slaughter the Jews.

            Of course…again, they have a brain fart and try to threaten me…boy…just feel the Christian love from them dontcha?

          • @Frank,

            I’m with you, dude.

            And don’t ever forget Jesus explicitly commanded that Leviticus be followed:

            “follow THE COMMANDMENTS….do not defraud” – Jesus (Mark 10:19)

            But the 10 Commandments do not include anything about defrauding. One must go to Leviticus to find this commandment:

            “do not defraud” – (Leviticus 19:13)

            That is the smoking gun that shows JESUS ENDORSED THE STONING LAWS OF LEVITICUS.

            (those caps are not for you, Frank, because you know this already…but for those others who need to be awakened
            to the brutality and needlessness of Jesus)

            Humanity will improve when we abandon Jesus, Mohammed and Yahweh. Let them vanish like all the other gods before them.
            They won’t be missed.

          • Frank LaFerriere

            Many of those Christians whom still hold to their do so, not out of love for their “Lord and Savior” but out of fear. The fear of a place called Hell. This fear has been programmed into them. Most Christians now a days are hereditary Christians.They were brain-washed, just like their parents, about hell, and that is the thing that holds them fast to this religion.

            Yet, if they truly studied the manuscripts, there is NO SUCH PLACE as the hell they fear. Constantine and the Council of Nicea wanted to control the population, to make them slaves using their doubts and fears of the afterlife to do so.

            What is more frightening than to tell a person whom fears the afterlife, that if they do not obey this religion, then they will spend an eternity in a place of such horror? Frighten little children into believing this and you do have a recipe for disaster.

            Hell was NEVER described in the Old Testament as a place such as the Christians say it is. It was called Sheol, the place of the Underworld. There was no torture, it was the land of the dead, just like in some of the Pagan religions, that the Hebrews took from to build their own myth cycles about the afterlife.

            Yet, hell is very real to most Christians, they fear it. They are told time and time again, if they do not obey what the leaders of their churches say, well then this is where you are going to spend your eternity, Reinforced again and again, of course people whom fear what comes after death, will grasp anything to make sure their souls end up in a place like Heaven.

            They will do all kinds of evil things, slaughtering people of other places, on the commands of their leaders, on the pains of hell. Their leaders brand anyone not like them of their Satan, and bound for hell and if their Christian followers do not go out and wipe them off the face of the earth, well then they are one of them and are also bound for hell.

            We only have to look at the Inquisitions to prove this fact. Or Hitler, with his commands that his evil attempts at exterminating the Jews was based on some passages of the New Testament of where Jesus condemned the Pharisee, such as in Matthew 23.

            I look at how the priest whom raped me also controlled me this way into silence, as do many other survivors I know. We were all controlled in some form or another, that if we told about our rapes, we would burn in hell for it.

            That actually controlled me though my nightmares, of being in hell, being gang raped by the demons and priests of hell.

            I finally got over that…but it took a lot for me to do so, because the idea of hell was so deeply ingrained into me from Catholic school and going to church.

            You try though to tell Christians this and of course their hereditary, ingrained programming automatically rises up and then they curse you…some even have threatened to kill me for speaking these truths. I of course come back on them and tell them: The ONLY ones mad at you for speaking the truth, are the ones living the lie. I also stand up to them, give them my address and tell them where to find me if they think they are so bold to carry through with their threat of killing me. Funny though, not one of those loudmouthed punks have ever taken me up on my offer. Maybe that is because I also tell them, before you do show up, tell your loved ones goodbye, make sure your will is written out and your life insurance is paid off, cause the next time your loved ones see you, you will be gift wrapped in a body bag. I pull no punches with ANYONE whom threatens me let me tell ya.

            It is the same with all other religions, they control you through fear. Yet they say that these are actually Free Will choices. No they are not, they are choices made through fear and at the point of a gun. You either believe and you spend an eternity in paradise, or you don’t and you spend an eternity in hell.

            The biggest job we have in ending the stranglehold that the leaders of these churches have over their followers, is to first break the thought of hell. That is an overwhelming task let me tell ya.

            But hey, it is worth it, because sometimes, I do succeed in getting one of them to start thinking for themselves and stop believing in the BS.

  4. It makes no difference what man can do to someone’s grave or tomb, because those who have passed away, like faithful Jonah to the death, are in God’s memory and will be resurrected back to life on a cleansed earth (Acts 24:15; John 5:28,29).

    As was so eloquently said at Matthew 22:32: “I am the God of Abraham and the God of Israel and the God of Jacob. He is the God, not of the dead but the living.”

    Jonah is alive in God’s memory and will realize life again on the promised new earth that will be cleansed of all terrible conditions through resurrection by God’s kingdom or heavenly government.

    • Frank LaFerriere

      So you base this belief of yours on a book called the Bible? A book put together by an Emperors own hand picked men at the Council of Nicea?

      Do you actually know how much of the original Hebrew manuscripts were taken out and or changed by these men? Why even the story of Adam and Eve has been changed, for in the original Hebrew manuscripts, the first woman was not Eve, but Lilith.

      Go find the Alphabet of Ben Sira…and read just one of the stories that was drastically changed from the Hebrew manuscripts into what the bible is today.

      Here is another story that is patently false and can be proven through science and ship-building experts. The story of Noah and his ark.

      First most Christians whom quote this story only speak of the two pairs of animals, well the original is that there were 7 pairs of clean and 2 pairs of unclean animals.

      You talk to scientists and expert ship builders, with the dimensions of the ark described in the bible, this would be an absolute impossibility.

      1. If that many animals were on board, the ship would capsize and sink.
      2. If that many animals were on board, Noah and his family would not have been able to survive due to all the ammonia being expelled by the animals urine.
      3. The feces alone from all these animals, Noah and his family would be shoveling animal crap overboard and not be able to do anything else.
      4. Where did they get all the food? There were no Walmarts to buy it at…so it rained for 40 days and nights and they stayed on the ark until the waters started drying up. Wow…so even if they did have enough food for the animals, the combined weight of all the animals and food, again would sink the ship. Matter of fact, the ark would have to be the size of 10 Queen Mary’s just to contain all the animals and food.

      This is just one more story in the bible that proves how much BS the bible actually is.

      • Noah and his family survived because they had God’s blessings and received specific detailed instructions from God on construction of the ark (Genesis 6:14-16).

        If Noah and his family had not survived the flood, we would not be here today. We are descendants of that family who survived among a very wicked world. It also shows God’s justice and that he will not always allow the wicked ones to make life miserable for the meek ones (Psalm 37:10,11). God warns those wicked ones to repent and turn around, and now is the time in the last days of this era to do so.

        During the upcoming millenial rule of Jesus, King of God’s kingdom or heavenly government, those who were faithful to God as expressed throughout the Bible (Hebrews 11:1-39) and are presently sleeping in death will be brought back to life on earth (John 5:28,29; Acts. 25:15). This will include Noah and his family. I am sure you will be able to get all your questions answered then from him.

        • @Fran,

          So GOD BLESSES INCEST?

          After drowning almost all of his creation and his children,
          God leaves Noah and his family to have lots of sex with each other to repopulate the world with a new ‘SIN FREE’ bloodline for humanity?

          But it didn’t work, did it? So later, Jesus had to come and fix things.
          But that didn’t work, either.

          Remember, this was all about ridding the world of evil!

          After only 6,000 years, the population of the planet
          reaches 8 BILLION PEOPLE!

          THAT MEANS every woman born SINCE NOAH had to get pregnant and have 170 children EACH with none of them dying ?!!

          Those women and men must have wished they had been drowned with everyone else. THAT IS TOO MUCH SEX FOR ANY HUMAN.

          I don’t mind if you want to believe it.
          But if you tell people it really happened be certain they are laughing at you.

          • Max,

            There was no incest going on….Noah had sons who were married and they had children who had children, the same as what happens today.

            Noah and his family were imperfect and sinful like all the rest of us; the only way out of that situation would be the ransom sacrifice of God’s perfect son, Jesus, on behalf of all imperfect mankind. (John 3:16)

            It’s through that ransom sacrifice that we can obtain forgiveness of our sins today. However, during the millenial rule of Jesus from God’s kingdom or heavenly government, the benefits of that sacrifice will be applied to mankind, who will gradually acquire a perfect state, which Adam and Eve lost for us.

            During that 1,000-year rule, the many faithful servants of God in the Bible, such as Abel, Enoch, Noah and his family, Abraham and Sarah, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Rahab, David, as well as prophets such as Gideon, Barak, Samson, Samuel, Jepthah, who are alive now in God’s memory (Matthew 22:32), will be resurrected back to life on a cleansed, “new” earth (Hebrews 11:1-40).

            The people on Noah’s day probably laughed at his family building the ark, since Noah was a preacher of righteousness (2 Peter 2:5), but they did not listen and lost their lives.

            So it is today… We are living in the last days of an era, the last days of man’s rule and man dominating over man to his detriment. Just as the Bible says: “When the righteous become many, the people rejoice; but when anyone wicked bears rule, the people groan.” (Proverbs 29:2)

            We have this warning from Jesus in our day, the “last days, as follows:

            “Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man; they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood arrived and destroyed them all.”

            Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot, they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building. But on the day that Lot came out of Sodom it rained fire and sulphur from heaven and destroyed them all.

            The same way it will be on that day when the Son of man is to be revealed.” Luke 17:26-30). The days left for the wicked to repent and turn their lives around are short.

            “And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more; and you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be. But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.” (Psalm 37:10,11) :-D :-D

          • Frank LaFerriere

            Gee Fran…I bet you stopped believing in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and a whole bunch of other BS stories…but you cannot seem to get over the biggest BS story told to mankind.

            If God and Jesus are real? They deserve to be executed.

          • I have never believed in persons who do not exist such as the tooth fairy, Santa, or the Easter bunny (which has nothing to do with Jesus’ resurrection, which I do not observe).

            However, I will always believe in God and his son, Jesus, who are not part of a trinity.

          • Frank LaFerriere

            Get it straight through your thick skull and stop being an apologist.

            First off….IT IS THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION…the one YOU proclaim to follow, that has slaughtered about 3 BILLION people in its history. From the Crusades, to the Inquisitions, to the genocides committed in the name of the Christian God in the conversions of Native Americans, to now all the scumbag priests, pastors and ministers raping children, the Christian religion has sown death, destruction, disease and evil in its wake.

            How many people die unnecessarily because of this religion? Too many. And it is idiots like YOU whom make apologies for them by stating…oh those were not true Christians. Well if it says it is a Christian and uses Christianity to grant themselves permission to slaughter the Pagans, Muslims, Jews and others….well then it is a Christian.

            This religion needs to be wiped off the face of the earth, plain and simple. All religions need to be wiped off the face of the earth, the Christians, the Muslims and the Hebrews, the three worst of the lot.

            You people want your Armageddon so damn bad here is what we will do for you. We will gather all of you up and put you all on the Antarctic continent, where you all can slaughter each other to finally prove which of your religions is the top dog. We will watch you all on tv too…as we prove again…you idiots have not one clue about following your “Lord and Saviors” commandment to love your neighbor as you do yourselves.

            Yeah…once there is no more of you religious blind fools left on the earth…the world will be a much better place to live.

            More people have been slaughtered because of these three “loving” religions to prove which one is right…than all the atheists in the world like Pol Pot.

            Remember too…you all also have Hitler in your corners.

        • Frank LaFerriere

          I will be blunt with you Fran.

          You’re God and Jesus Christ are MONSTERS. They are Pedophile loving freaks. IF they are real, then they deserve NOTHING BUT CONDEMNATION. And so do all of those whom call themselves Christians.

          Your God and Jesus sits up in heaven, supposedly, watching their disgusting priests, ministers, pastors and others of their “church” rape children and teenagers with impunity. The leaders of their church covers up these crimes and then this God and Jesus does absolutely NOTHING about that either.

          In my mind, IF YOUR GOD AND JESUS ARE REAL? They are more than likely masturbating and making child porno, while watching these demons of theirs rape children.

          Then they have to account for the BILLIONS of innocent men, women and children slaughtered, tortured and murdered by their followers.

          Gotta love you Christian apologists. The history of Christianity is FILLED with Christian facts of how you idiots fail to follow the two greatest commandments given to you all by your vile slaughter of your neighbors.

          At least 3 BILLION humans, butchered, destroyed, by Christians, to force them to obey their God or die. You all cry about the evils of the Muslims? HOW FREAKING DARE YOU!!! Or decry the evils of Atheists? HOW FREAKING DARE YOU!!! Or decry the evils of homosexuality, while YOUR FREAKING DEMENTED AND DISGUSTING PRIESTS AND PASTORS RAPE CHILDREN AND YOU SCUM DEFEND THEM AND DO NOT DRIVE THEM OUT OF YOUR CHURCHES LIKE YOU WERE COMMANDED TO DO SO?

          You Christians sicken and disgust me and you Christians are THE ULTIMATE HYPOCRITES that walk this beautiful planet of ours.

          Oh and your fantastic stupidity of each and every one of you for believing those incredibly false stories, like NOAH”S ARK, or the many others in that book of evil.

          Your God deserves to burn in it’s own hell and so does Jesus Christ…for they do NOT lift one finger to stop you psychotic Christians as you bring death and destruction to the world.

          How would YOU ALL FEEL, if because YOU did not bow down to OUR BELIEFS, if we gathered you all up, and tortured you all? Putting you all through such evil torture devices like the Judas Chair? Or how about shoving a red hot coaled filled Pope’s Pear up your butts? Or maybe tying you upside down and sawing YOUR bodies slowly in half? Or burning YOU at the stake?

          How about we demand your degenerate Pastors like Charles Worley, Scott Lively, and others, that YOU SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU ARE CHRISTIANS? Or pass bills like Kill the Christians…based on the one Christian ministers forced passage of in Uganda called the Kill the Gays bill?

          Bet you would all scream we are persecuting you. But why is it NOT persecution of others when YOU CHRISTIANS DEMAND THESE THINGS BE DONE TO OTHERS? No…you cry it is your disgusting religious right to do what ever you feel like, but when your crap is thrown back at ya’s…well you raise unholy hell about how we are persecuting you for NOT allowing you to be the disgusting, religious based, hypocrite bigots that you all prove you are time and time again.

          Again, you Christians sicken and disgust me and have far proven what a bunch of psychotic hypocrites you all are.

          • Frank,
            I sooo agree with you that false religions have done immensely terrible things, in the name of God, and his son, Jesus, throughout history. They have claimed to be “true” Christianity but have proved false to its power.

            During the First World War, for example, the clergy supported the war enthusiastically. Clerics fanned, rather than quenched, the flames of hatred. Clergy were unable to place Christian faith before nationality. In other words, “Christian” soldiers of all denominations were exhorted to kill each other in the name of their savior.

            Jesus himself promoted love and peace and instructed his followers to even love their enemies. His further counsel was: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword.” (Matthew 26:52)

            In other words, true Christians should not get involved with worldly conflicts such as war.

            Jesus further did not get involved in politics. When Jesus understood the Jews were about to seize him and make him King, he withdrew into the mountain alone (John 6:15). So true Christians should not get involved in politics but remain neutral. False religion has not done this.

            Jesus also told Pilate, the Roman governor, that his kingdom was no part of this world and not a part of this source (John 18:36). His kingdom is a heavenly government, of which he is King, which will put an end to and replace ALL of man’s governments (Daniel 2:4;); another reason not to get involved in politics!!

            Jesus main focus during his ministry was the preaching of the good news of that kingdom or heavenly government (Matthew 4:17) as the ONLY hope for mankind. True Christians should follow Jesus’ example. False religion is not doing this, telling the masses who to vote for, that only “good persons go to heaven after they die and the wicked go to hell, a fiery place of torment.” The Bible does not teach this. Meek ones will inherit the earth, not the heavens (Matthew 5:5; Psalm 37:10,11). Wicked ones will be destroyed by God but not face eternal torment (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10). A limited number of humans have the hope of, once they die, becoming spirit persons, and ruling with Jesus in God’s heavenly kingdom over the meek ones on the earth. That number is 144,000, those who have been chosen by God and Jesus to rule (Revelation 7:1-8; 14:1-5) and have been chosen since Pentecost 33. C.E., when the first Christian congregation was formed.

            The GREAT NEWS is that God will soon execute his judgement upon the world empire of false religion, referred to as a harlot and named Babylon the Great !!! (Revelation 17:1-18; 18:1-24). She will be destroyed by God for her actions throughout the centuries and will meet her fate through the “political systems” of the world which she has committed “fornication” with!!! She will no longer be in existence on planet earth. One can already see how politics is starting to turn on religion, but as the Bible says, her destruction will be swift! :-D

    • Frank, I will trust the promises of God over any man, politician or government on this planet. Time always tells us who can and will accomplish his/her promises. Human history in that department (man rule) speaks volumes and the future will do the same in a more positive way.

      No thanks, I’m not really interested in buying a bridge at this time. :-)

      • Frank LaFerriere

        You trust man you idiot. It was man whom put together the bible. Emperor Constantine and his hand picked men at the Council of Nicea.

        How do you know, for an absolute fact, that YOUR God is the one true God and not say Zeus? Or Apollo? or the many others? Because your god happens to be the one in “power” currently? Funny, Christians got to be the powerful religion it was by slaughtering its competition. When you slaughter the competition, well then, you eventually become King.

        Another thing I cannot fathom is why women even belong to Christianity, with the way this God thinks about women and how you are treated. You women are deemed virtual sex slaves really. Your ONLY purpose as far as Christianity is concerned, is to spread your legs and pop out as many babies as you can. You’re treated like second and even third class people.

        Why according to the bible, if your daughter gets raped,YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO MARRY HER OFF TO HER RAPIST!!!

        This is how twisted your religion is towards women.

        The first woman of the Hebrew creation myth was NOT EVE it was Lilith. Constantine had her removed from the bible because she was the actual first woman’s libber. She was also smart enough to trick that old god of yours out of his sacred, secret name.

        So hey, if you want to be crapped on for the rest of your life as a woman, you want to be treated as just a womb, and insulted and denigrated by your fellow Christian male, looked upon as a second and even third class citizen, then that is your stupidity and problem.

        Many women have in fact left Christianity because of the way they treat women. Any woman dumb enough to stay with this paternalistic religion, deserves what she gets.

        • Frank,

          Because of my faith, those who believe as I do do NOT get involved in politics at all, just as Jesus and his followers did not. Why? Because we are theocrats, supporting God’s rule and his Kingdom as the only government deserving of our allegiance.

          Because of my faith, those who believe as I do do NOT go to war to kill our fellowman and remain neutral when it comes to worldly conflicts, since Jesus said that “those who use the sword will perish by the sword” and he also urged us to love our enemies. Many in my faith have been and still are in prison by governments for being conscientious objectors to war (Korea and Russia).

          Because of my faith, those who believe as I do have turned their swords into pruning shears and made peace with one another, worshipping God together (enemy tribes in Africa).

          Because of my faith, those who believe as I do, whether male or female, child, young, adult or elderly are having a worldwide part in declaring the “good news of God’s kingdom” or heavenly government as the ONLY hope for mankind!! This is following Jesus’ instructions, which false religion has not done (preaching that all good people go to heaven and all bad people to a place of fiery torment forever after they die–not truth).

          The Bible is the Word of God and is truth. God used men that he chose and inspired as his secretaries to let us know his marvelous personality (including love, wisdom, power, mercy) and his purpose for man. Many persons have tried to destroy the Bible through the ages but it is still with us! :-D

          That purpose was for perfect mankind to live forever on a paradise earth. Due to the actions of our first parents, however, that action was stopped. But through the ages, God has made the way out of the mess given by our first parents: The ransom sacrifice of his son, Jesus, to take away our sin and imperfection so that we can live forever on earth; and God’s Kingdom, comprised of Jesus as King and 144,000 former humans or born-again Christians who will rule over mankind bringing such marvelous blessings to all.

          Wouldn’t you love to live forever on a paradise earth with no sickness and disease, hate, violence, prejudice, wars, pollution, starvation, corrupt governments, greed, old age and death??? That is what meek mankind has to look forward to under God’s rule…definitely not man’s rule !! :-D :-D :- D. At the end of this wicked era, everyone will have to make their choice!

          • Frank LaFerriere

            I already live in a paradise on earth, it is called the White Mountain National Forest and I am a nature photographer up here. I have been photographing everything from butterflies, to flowers, to waterfalls, to rivers, to mountains, to you name it. I am in paradise and I wish it to stay this way.

            As for living forever? I already am. I am a soul too, not only a body, and a mind. I know where my soul is going and it is NOT based on any Christian religious theory. Matter of fact, from studying at Bangor Theological Seminary and through rabbi’s I have learned that the concept of Hell as you call it, is a modern invention and a bastardization of the Hebrew word Sheol. There was NO SUCH place as the Christian hell until after the Council of Nicea which invented the hell myth. Then used it to control the masses with.

            Sheol was the Underworld, the place of the dead. There was no hell fire, no brimstone, no hordes of devils and demons. It was the afterlife, much like the Underworld afterlives foretold in many other “religious” mythologies, like the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, etc, which the Hebrews absorbed into their own myth cycles.

            This is evidenced by their taking the name Lilith, as the first woman created. Lilith and the variations of the name go all the way back to the Assyrians and Babylonians…remember them from your Old Testament writings? Hmmmm…the Hebrews were slaves of Babylon were they not?

            The Christians, under Constantine, created hell, the modern version, to scare the bejesus out of people into following this new religion. You can accept it or not, what ever gets you through your day, but it is the truth plain and simple.

            Hell really took shape with Dante’s Inferno…part 3 of his Divine Comedy. What was really interesting is all the major Christian religions, the RC’s and the Protestants adopted Dante’s Inferno as a way to describe hell and all the various torments that happen.

            What they failed to recognize is that Dante’s Divine Comedy was just that, a satire of how he saw his world at the time, the Kings and Queens, the Popes, the leaders of his day and the ones up to his time. He was a combination of Jon Stewart, George Carlin and Lenny Bruce of his day. He slammed all of them for whom and what they were, corrupt, evil, degenerates. He wrote the Inferno as a way to “make their punishments fit their crimes”.

            So hey…you can believe that if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior will save you from going to hell and bring you to a paradise. That is cool you go for it. But to tell ya the truth….I don’t need Jesus Christ to tell me how to be moral, to tell me whether I am going to heaven or hell…because I know I am going to a place called Summerland…a beautiful forested paradise..where I can run with my brothers and sisters wolves, and all the other creatures of the forest..and there is no freaky stuck up Christian there messing up the works….

            I am glad you are going to Paradise…but remember this.

            Jesus Christ also said:

            Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar and Render unto God that which is God….so I guess you need to go back and learn some more of your bible.

  5. Frank,

    That’s great that you live in an area on earth that is like paradise. I envy the fact that you can enjoy nature, such as waterfalls, butterflies, flowers and mountains, such wonderful gifts that
    God has provided for humans to enjoy.

    Unfortunately, I live in the desert in the State of Nevada, so our nature is limited to cactus, sand, spiders and snakes!!

    You should be overjoyed to learn that the entire earth will become a paradise, not just certain areas where you live, and the earth will be greatly blessed by God so that we can enjoy our home even more.

    Yes, Sheol and Hades have unfortunately been represented by false religion to be a place of fiery torment forever. They both are the common grave, where mankind are sleeping in death or “resting in peace.” That is really a loving perspective as opposed to a turturous one which people love to blame God as being when they speak of hellfire. It is such a sad fact that people are not being told the truth about the condition of the dead, found at Ecclesiastes 9:5,10, which Jesus confirmed in the account of Lazarus at John 11:144, who was “sleeping in death” for 4 days.

    As to rendering Caesar’s things to Caesar and God’s things to God, I pay my taxes and obey its laws as long as they don’t go against God’s laws and commandments. In that case, I must follow Paul’s example and “obey God as ruler rather than man” (Acts 5:29).

    I do not get involved in politics and conflicts of the world such as wars, but am neutral concerning them. Why? Because I am no part of the world and its violent spirit. Also, because my full allegiance goes to God’s kingdom or heavenly government as the only hope for mankind. My worship rightly goes to the God of that kingdom and not to the state.

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